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1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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MySpace was a thing my friends and I resisted, but Facebook entered my life around age 15, when an attractive classmate invited me. I could be criticized for a lack of willpower when I joined the tool at that age, though I think that'd be unfair. Shortly thereafter, the service atomized every in-person form of social interaction I had once held dear, into a set of in-person interactions which were the footnote to an online logbook. I'm not sure how to qualify the negative impact the "social internet" had on myself and my peers, but I think it's probably immeasurable and not dissimilar from epidemic narcotic use.

This continued through my young adulthood, during which time the traditional media was covering the suicide of Tyler Clementi and later Aaron Schwarz. I noticed the tool routinely used for cyberbullying, outing classmates of alternate sexualities, contact with strangers and subsequent dysfunctional communication, race hate, other forms of anomic and disinhibited communication, abusive surveillance of individuals within human courtships, and the routine use of aliases. Violence associated with online "socialization" continues to escalate in countless communities. Later, the implementation of Facebook Live would popularize its worldwide use for live video broadcast of interpersonal physical violence. Knowing the marketing effects of most other media, the deployment of that particular functionality was probably a given after the Clementi suicide.

The effects of the tool upon partly-or-entirely political processes such as election, incarceration, hiring, policing, etc., are still for-profit and poorly-characterized. With a user count in the billions, billions in value, contracts with data mining firms, use as a media outlet by municipalities in lieu of traditional public media, its probably safe to say they are sizable and wholly-undemocratic. It is comedic that the idea of "democratization" is used in conjunction with a technology whose aim is to recontextualize friendship as an interaction which occurs at an extreme distance and with intensive record-keeping, as opposed to the chance in-person encounter of individuals with their spoken narratives in an agora, square, etc.

The sort of behavior for which Facebook exists and continues to exist is the exact behavior legislated against upon the now-decommissioned ARPANet. The internet was never open or free. To say now, "The internet should neither be commercial nor political, but can be free" is too late, a lie, and unfair. The Kindle is a great device. Text messaging may be a small improvement to the human condition, like the lightbulb, or motor cartage. Remarks on Facebook are likely confined to the realm of observation.

Media is not inherently social. For it to be social, its purpose has to be removed from a dominant narrative and subsequent revenues upon this narrative, which is necessarily impossible. Community farming, in spite of its tremendous cost, is social. Healthcare, in spite of its tremendous cost, is social.

I post these remarks only to document my experiences for posterity. I cannot undo the damage these tools and their attached profit motives have done to my life, but I can note them publicly.

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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Deletion is too extreme for most people. Facebook is a monopoly for users and in an oligopoly for advertisers. This is a market failure [1]. More reasonable: escalating partial dis-engagement. Here's what I did, sequentially, over the years: 1. Turn off notifications for the Facebook app on your phone; 2. Turn off notifications for the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps on your phone; 3. Delete the Faceboo…

Knowledge that one need not use heroin this day has never saved those who are its servants, nor those servants' prey.

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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Deletion is too extreme for most people. Facebook is a monopoly for users and in an oligopoly for advertisers. This is a market failure [1]. More reasonable: escalating partial dis-engagement. Here's what I did, sequentially, over the years: 1. Turn off notifications for the Facebook app on your phone; 2. Turn off notifications for the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps on your phone; 3. Delete the Faceboo…

Knowledge that one need not use heroin this day has never saved those who are its servants, nor those servants' prey.

> Knowledge that one need not use heroin this day has never saved those who are its servants

Recovery rates for heroin addicts "ranges from 35-65%" [1]. And Facebook isn't as addictive as heroin.

[1] http://crehab.org/2017/08/14/heroin-addiction-why-the-recove...

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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In a survey of people I know, 0 out of infinity kept their Facebook accounts deleted. But lots of people told me they did. Probably 30% of people I know. Some actually deleted. Some said they did and didn’t (really weird since you can see their account). Some thought they did, but screwed it up. Some said they did but switched to Messenger, or WhatsApp or some other part of Facebook. Over the past 5 years, not a sing…

I don't understand why go through the hassle of actually deleting (particularly since it is so onerous). It changes nothing. There's probably still a shadow account of the data you gave them. Deleting the account doesn't put everything back in pandora's box. You can just post that you're abandoning the account with where to reach you online, log out, delete the cookies, and block their domain (what I did) and have th…

> There's probably still a shadow account of the data you gave them.

Let's hope not, for Zuck's sake, because he just testified in front of Congress that when you delete your account it's gone from Facebook's servers for good.

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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>1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

So, we might not have gained more hope on privacy issues, but at least we now know that a lot more people will outright lie and BS when polled on the matter, than we previously thought....

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why go through the hassle of actually deleting (particularly since it is so onerous). It changes nothing. There's probably still a shadow account of the data you gave them. Deleting the account doesn't put everything back in pandora's box. You can just post that you're abandoning the account with where to reach you online, log out, delete the cookies, and block their domain (what I did) and have th…

> There's probably still a shadow account of the data you gave them. Let's hope not, for Zuck's sake, because he just testified in front of Congress that when you delete your account it's gone from Facebook's servers for good.

So do they delete your account in all of their backups as well?

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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Go on your friends list and look at all the deleted profiles. Facebook no longer deletes the profile from your friendlist. If you have 900 friends and 50 delete, it still shows 900 and the names of deactivated profiles are still in friend list, but with no avatar.

I went to my Facebook and found 8% of my friend list deactivated. I would be surprised if this entire hoopla resulted in more than 1% deletion but even 1% in NA is 1.8M accounts. That is around $200M a year loss for fb. Not a big deal, but their valuation is based on forward growth, so not tiny either

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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I deleted my facebook account with all my content eight years ago after I was told some eastern European accessed my account, which made me realize what a liability facebook is, not to mention your page is the first thing an employer looks at when hiring.

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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In a survey of people I know, 0 out of infinity kept their Facebook accounts deleted. But lots of people told me they did. Probably 30% of people I know. Some actually deleted. Some said they did and didn’t (really weird since you can see their account). Some thought they did, but screwed it up. Some said they did but switched to Messenger, or WhatsApp or some other part of Facebook. Over the past 5 years, not a sing…

"I was hoping that this article would talk about how they did the survey through Facebook :)" There is one type of "revolution" that arguably cannot be started on Facebook. The revolution to reclaim privacy from Facebook, to free ourselves from Facebook surveillance. Whenever this "conflict of interest" comes up, there is an unforgettable 1970 song I recall hearing as a youth. Hint 1: It was written before "rap" exis…

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised by Gil Scott-Heron.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_T...

Re: 1 in 10 Americans in survey say they deleted their Facebook account over privacy

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Go on your friends list and look at all the deleted profiles. Facebook no longer deletes the profile from your friendlist. If you have 900 friends and 50 delete, it still shows 900 and the names of deactivated profiles are still in friend list, but with no avatar. I went to my Facebook and found 8% of my friend list deactivated. I would be surprised if this entire hoopla resulted in more than 1% deletion but even 1%…

Interesting, I didn't know that.

Roughly 1.5% of my friends list was deleted. Probably closer to 1 as I think some of them deleted a long while back.

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