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In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by danso »

marricks wrote: post #53
arachnids wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuckerberg was 19 when he made the dumb fucks comment. [2004] I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point, just saying that this incident took place earlier than you think it did.

Have his actions done anything to show it's not relevant? He lead the company as a young man and is still pretty young. Reckless disregard for privacy has been a hallmark of his tenure.

The decade immediately after you’re teens is a time period with a lot of change. Many people find career paths, spouses, and have children. Also worth considering is that FB is a much different company — structure-wise — than when it was just a social media site servicing Harvard students.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by mikeash »

peacetreefrog wrote: post #21

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

I agree that we shouldn't necessarily judge people based on something from a decade and a half ago.

But I'm all for judging people based on their attitude toward their past misdeeds. If someone fucks up and then years later they go, "Yeah, I fucked up, I'm sorry, I learned X, Y, and Z from the experience and now I'm a better person," then by all means, let's move on. But if their attitude is to smear the victims and essentially claim that the fact that they're now filthy rich excuses them from any past misbehavior (as is the case here), then let's criticize the crap out of them.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by JackCh »

sangnoir wrote: post #57
user982 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. You misread this, likely because that would have made more sense than what actually occurred. The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death…

> The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.

Taking cheap-shots at southern states with disreputable histories is easy, but the vast majority of states (46 out of 50, as of 2008) in America have a Felony Murder rule.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/felony_murder_doctrine

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by jlgaddis »

sangnoir wrote: post #57
user982 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. You misread this, likely because that would have made more sense than what actually occurred. The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death…

> The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.

AFAIK, there are similar laws in many other states as well. It's definitely not just Alabama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transferred_intent

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by matte_black »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #48
_0vzt wrote: post #4

Facebook’s response to this story is revealing: > "We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources who seek to rewrite Facebook’s early history or embarrass Mark Zuckerberg with dated allegations. The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in t…

They're playing the status game. "Rewrite history" and "dated allegations" serve mostly to slander whoever made those claims. Then they raise Zuckerberg's status by pointing out his achievements. They're effectively saying the accusation isn't valid because Zuckerberg is nobility and the accusers are not.

If it weren’t for Zuckerberg’s status these allegations wouldn’t have bothered coming out.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by saagarjha »

danso wrote: post #61
marricks wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have his actions done anything to show it's not relevant? He lead the company as a young man and is still pretty young. Reckless disregard for privacy has been a hallmark of his tenure.

The decade immediately after you’re teens is a time period with a lot of change. Many people find career paths, spouses, and have children. Also worth considering is that FB is a much different company — structure-wise — than when it was just a social media site servicing Harvard students.

Sure, it's possible that he's stopped having a callous disregard for other people's privacy in those ten years, but all of his actions seem to demonstrate otherwise.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by ryanlol »

danso wrote: post #61
marricks wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have his actions done anything to show it's not relevant? He lead the company as a young man and is still pretty young. Reckless disregard for privacy has been a hallmark of his tenure.

The decade immediately after you’re teens is a time period with a lot of change. Many people find career paths, spouses, and have children. Also worth considering is that FB is a much different company — structure-wise — than when it was just a social media site servicing Harvard students.

Is it a company with much more integrity? I think not.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by JackCh »

bookbinder wrote: post #55
hcnews wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1, I have absolutely zero confidence in Zuckerberg and Sandberg. The board should ask them to resign and appoint new people (obviously the most extreme ask from this scenario). As a user, I want facebook to stick around and be more useful to me in the future. Unfortunately I don't see the current people doing that.

Why include Sandberg? Isn't she generally considered a professional grown up providing adult supervision for Zuckerberg?

Didn't Sandberg recently suggest something to the effect that opting out of privacy violating "targeted ads" is something you'd need to pay facebook for? That wasn't in the script. Even if rationally true, stating something like that so bluntly is bad PR.

Sandberg may be a "professional grown up adult", but that doesn't preclude her from being a liability to the company.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by jlgaddis »

arnaudsm wrote: post #54

Why are the media talking so much about Facebook's mistakes of 10 years ago, while there are much worse problems in privacy at the moment ? Grindr, China's rating system, NSA's algorithm in Pakistan.. Corporate culture changes a lot in 10 years, Facebook is the wrong target.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

> Corporate culture changes a lot in 10 years ...

Not at Facebook, apparently.

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