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Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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With her being from Iran, I'm also surprised the right hasn't already spun it that way, as a distraction from the gun control questions. Not saying she should though obv, she was angry at YouTube for demonetizing her videos. That's regular YouTube drama taken to the extreme by a crazy person, not someone part of a group waging jihad on the infidels.

if (shooter == muslim) return "terrorist"; else return "mental problem";

multiple return statements should be avoided. It makes the code harder to read. One entry, one exit.

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I would suggest you take a hiatus from watching the news. Go outside and you will find that everything isn't as bad as you think.

Outside of me (NYC) there's homelessness and pollution. I guess that's not so bad? Also, it's not that I think things are bad, it's that I think the increasing concentration of wealth is resulting in increased potential for some event. What event? I don't know, but I doubt it'll be good.

Re: Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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Yet another licensed and legal weapon.

There was nothing to indicate she should be denied such. Self-defense is a valid and widely-exercised human right. Just because Policy X has problems doesn't mean Policy Y doesn't (and may unleash the Pandora's Box which Policy X was imperfectly controlling).

Even were guns nationally banned, that she decided to proceed with mass murder - showing enough signs of danger far enough in advance that she was reported to & interviewed by police - there were a multitude of ways of carrying out the attack, including by buying contraband weapons. Other products are completely illegal in this country, with enormous suppression activity, yet are widely available; no reason to believe a ban would somehow render guns unobtainable via a few hundred dollars discretely exchanged in the wrong side of town.

What's pity is the victims were[0] specifically denied a right to armed self-defense, under threat of harm. She was the rare one who snapped, and in doing so violated a plethora of "reasonable restrictions" to cause grave harm; nobody seems to notice the enormous numbers likewise armed yet never harm anyone - a few happening to stop such attacks early.

[0] - summarizing, details beyond a mere comment.

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Yet another licensed and legal weapon.

99.9% of people obtaining a weapon legally don't use it to commit atrocities, but for entertainment. Why should the majority suffer the consequences from the tiny minority of unstable individuals?

Not just for entertainment, but a great many for legitimate self-defense. Why should those rationally feeling need to prepare protection be denied by laws which ultimately do not stop the unstable deliberately acting to harm?

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Just out of curiosity how much leverage do advertising companies actually have?

All of it. It's where nearly all their revenue comes from. There's no remaining business without the ad sales.

First of all, YouTube doesn't make money.

Secondly, there are two sides to this equation. The advertisers aren't paying for ads as charity to Google. They want the billions of views that YouTube gets every day. While I don't know the exact statistics, YouTube definitely seems to be growing in influence where people who are popular on the platform are legitimate celebrities. Advertisers would be foolish to not try to get in on some of the publicity. Now I'm a bit conspiracy theory-ish on this whole thing. I really think that between the advertisers and traditional media there wasn't necessarily a concerted effort where both of them planned to do something together, they were just both acting in their self interest. So when traditional media outlets started publishing the nature of the videos that some ads would play next to, the advertisers thought "Well, this is a great opportunity to strong arm them for some cheaper ads." Meanwhile the traditional media was simply attacking a competitor. It seems to me like there were also some useful idiots at YouTube who saw the so-called terrible things that ads were next to and over corrected. Instead of saying "Okay, well, good luck reaching how many people we do." to advertisers, they rolled over and capitulated. When in my opinion, they really didn't need to. Then again, they know more about the business than I do.

But really pulling ads from too many videos hurts the business too, if ads aren't playing on a video, they are hosting that video for free. It makes absolutely no sense. There is also no evidence of any kind of long term association between advertisements and content. You don't see a coke ad before an ISIS beheading video and think "Huh, Coke endorses ISIS".

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Yet another mentally ill individual who did not get the treatment they so clearly needed.

Not every shooter is mentally ill. In fact, most mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than the perpetrators. Most shooters are just shitheads, not mentally ill, and to constantly conflate the two is to add additional stigma to mental illness. In addition, if this truly was a mental health problem, Congress could increase funding for mental health treatment by the end of the week, Trump could…

A very common factor in such mass murders is the use of antidepressants. Having seen up close what happens when someone on such medication misses a few doses (extreme & systematic rage), I'm stunned that there has not been intense investigation into the correlation.

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Yet another licensed and legal weapon.

Luckily it was just a handgun. If it were an AR-15 it might've been a different story, as this radiologist who treated Parkland students noticed: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-...

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Go find the nearest street corner to preach off of and bump the last guy off

Would you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? It looks like you've been doing it quite a bit, and it breaks the site rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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I don't get Youtube policies. Why not let the advertisers decide which channels to advertise on? Why demonetize anything? This babysitting attitude makes so many creators unhappy. If a video is allowed on YT, why not make more money off of it?

> I don't get Youtube policies. Why not let the advertisers decide which channels to advertise on?

Because then advertisers have to do more work, and spend less money; doing the picking for the advertisers in a way which keeps them happy with the results is a key part of what advertisers are paying YouTube for.

> This babysitting attitude makes so many creators unhappy

The creators it makes happy are predominantly the ones that aren't supplying YouTube with content that is valuable in its main revenue-generating function.

> If a video is allowed on YT, why not make more money off of it?

So, YT should ban videos rather than demonetizing them?

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There is some research that says the traditional tipping point for revolution is hunger. It seems people put up with a lot of shit, perhaps with misplaced optimism, until their stomach is affected. Maybe there's an analog to other tipping points, like price of internet service, but food seems pretty emotional and primal. https://www.salon.com/2014/05/09/real_life_hunger_games_soar...

I'm sure there's nothing that can go wrong with a population that has three hundred million guns getting short of food with an ideology that says they have a right to overthrow the government.
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