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The End of Windows

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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ekianjo »

bigmanwalter wrote: post #14
eric_b wrote: post #6

I'll be interested to see how this bifurcation of the Windows team plays out. Windows 10 has been a mixed bag - some nice new features but also a lot of half baked buggy stuff. The evergreen nature of Windows 10 feels like the right move, but I'm worried they're going to let the OS stagnate. There's already a lot of low hanging fruit they could clean up with an update, but haven't. I'm not a huge fan of using my tabl…

Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

I just went back to using KDE a few days ago afters years on GNOME and boy, did KDE change! Plasma is a welcome change and KDE feels a lot more customizable and flexible.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by komali2 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #50
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

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Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

If I still have to open the terminal and edit text files in /etc for essential things like sound, WiFi, accelerated graphics, and so on then it hasn't really evolved in the right ways. Linux on the desktop has always been a niche experience for a niche audience. ChromeOS and Android (both based on Linux) are mainstream desktop experiences, as are MacOS, iOS, and Windows.

That hasn't been the case for a while for me, even for graphics stuff - do you use a desktop setup with gnome or similar? I'm pretty noobish at this stuff but gnome, unity, etc should be coming with gui settings baked in.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by maxxxxx »

Spooky23 wrote: post #5
twoquestions wrote: post #2

So are mom and pop businesses using Chromebooks and Ipads to do their accounting now? Last I checked Windows was still pretty dominant in both Enterprise and midsize businesses, though I could see a food truck being run from a phone (theoretically).

Windows 10 is really difficult for businesses entrenched in Windows to deal with. The work that you need to do in order to unwind from legacy Windows stuff like fat apps, IE-optimized websites, and legacy Office-based workflows makes it pretty easy to move to an iPad to Google, etc. The only thing that Microsoft has going for them is that every other vendor is also fucking up client computing in different ways.

Agreed. They are undermining the areas where they had most strength. It seems rich desktop apps are being pushed aside in favor of the app store model. For new stuff we now usually choose web over WPF.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Fnoord »

erric wrote: post #30
pjmlp wrote: post #18

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Yep, the other day I was also pretty amazed how using VS Code alongside Rust, for writing a Gtk-rs application, managed to hang X forcing me to reboot the whole thing. With the open source AMD drivers.

I have been quite impressed with VS Code. I’m....honestly shocked I’m using it but it’s doing what it advertises and is doing it pretty well. Sublime is getting less use these days.

Memory consumption and speed are apparently not important for you then, and that's fair enough. To each their own. I can only use so many resource hogs before my laptop says no. It starts with battery life and memory consumption. Speed (and benchmarks) is a good early warning sign.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ekianjo »

maxxxxx wrote: post #51
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

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Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

Outside of Dev work unfortunately Linux is not that much fun. If you need to do accounting, graphics or other work there are options on Linux but they are usually way behind what Mac or Windows are offering.

This has nothing to do with Linux, rather with the publishers who decide not to support Linux or any particular distro at least.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by bluedino »

jsty wrote: post #17
twoquestions wrote: post #2

So are mom and pop businesses using Chromebooks and Ipads to do their accounting now? Last I checked Windows was still pretty dominant in both Enterprise and midsize businesses, though I could see a food truck being run from a phone (theoretically).

Anecdata: most of the SMBs I know are using web/cloud-based accounting products, and like it for varying reasons (not having to manage / upgrade the software, easy to collaborate with their accountant) but a major one is being able to access their accounts from anything with a web browser.

They still do 'the work' in Excel

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #44
laumars wrote: post #37

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> There's already a lot of low hanging fruit they could clean up with an update, but haven't. In all honesty that's been my impression of Windows since its inception. The only time I can recall ever feeling like Windows was deserved market leader was with Windows 2000: Linux wasn't mature on the desktop, OS X wasn't yet released or literally only just released and OS 9 was god awful (worse than the Win 95 in my opini…

I think because there's no career advancement at Microsoft, working on cleaning up existing features. Only by working on new stuff can you get noticed. So, interns work on 'old' stuff (like office apps, Windows, tools). And they always look pretty rough.

...as attested to by my relatives and friends who work there.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone1234 wrote: post #50
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

If I still have to open the terminal and edit text files in /etc for essential things like sound, WiFi, accelerated graphics, and so on then it hasn't really evolved in the right ways. Linux on the desktop has always been a niche experience for a niche audience. ChromeOS and Android (both based on Linux) are mainstream desktop experiences, as are MacOS, iOS, and Windows.

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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by maxxxxx »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #52
twoquestions wrote: post #2

So are mom and pop businesses using Chromebooks and Ipads to do their accounting now? Last I checked Windows was still pretty dominant in both Enterprise and midsize businesses, though I could see a food truck being run from a phone (theoretically).

I own a small business and I run my accounting with FreshBooks, which I can easily use via my phone, iPad, or MacBook. I haven't used windows for 18 years. I'm probably an outlier, but it can be done.

It can be done but usually going Windows is the path of least resistance for most non tech users.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by agumonkey »

bigmanwalter wrote: post #14
eric_b wrote: post #6

I'll be interested to see how this bifurcation of the Windows team plays out. Windows 10 has been a mixed bag - some nice new features but also a lot of half baked buggy stuff. The evergreen nature of Windows 10 feels like the right move, but I'm worried they're going to let the OS stagnate. There's already a lot of low hanging fruit they could clean up with an update, but haven't. I'm not a huge fan of using my tabl…

Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

A tiny linux/windows story:

For the last year I ran a x200 (c2d p8400, passmark 1458) + below average ssd. Win10, almost no cruft, some cortana disabled etc.

It's ok but became worse and worse (regular pointer lag for a minute, pointer lag is very very sad and indicates very low level perf issues)

I don't use full fledged linux Desktops, if at all. I run a bare i3wm + emacs + $browser + mpv setup.

Last week I booted my old x61 (c2d l7500, passmark 967) on old intel 80GB SSD linux machine. I was stunned ..

chromium and firefox are seriously more reactive. They're only slower for graphics/video/intense workloads. emacs and git flies. Everything is tiny and leaner. Even on an older, slower cpu.

It's even mentally easier since I have less things to handle under linux (still too much to my tastes, but windows has so many components and moving pieces..)

I have to run that archlinux/i3wm setup on the x200 to get more data.

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