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Organ Grinding: When the Audience Revolted at Carnegie Hall

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Re: Organ Grinding: When the Audience Revolted at Carnegie Hall

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There are a lot of negative comments here about the piece, and I’m not going to disagree with anyone’s musical tastes. I will however caution you not to dismiss the composer based on this work alone. A fair amount of his work is as sparse as this, and some of what is not can still be pretty inaccessible especially if you’re expecting to hear something more traditional.

One piece of Steve Reich’s in particular though grabbed me when I first heard it 15 years ago, and I don’t think it will ever let go: Music for 18 Musicians. An acquaintance lent me the disc and said he thought I might like it. I put on my headphones and hit play, and after a short period of acclimation was blissfully lost for the next hour. Despite feeling ambivalent about a lot of minimalism, 18 is my favorite piece of music, hands down.

Take the musical ideas behind Four Organs (steady pulses, phase shifting, slow evolution, others) and then replace the rigorous organs with singers and players of instruments with widely varying textures (strings, pianos, clarinets, marimbas). Give the whole thing a rich harmonic structure. Divide it into sections with melodies that expand and collapse, or build up in surprising ways. Make it cathartic and uplifting and human.

It’s still not for everyone, but adventurous listeners should give it a try when you have an hour or so to spare. Don’t commit to the whole piece necessarily—the full hour is just in case it catches hold of you—but do commit to listening past the “Pulses” section. That’s just the intro, and what sounds at first like a frantic hammering quickly mutates into a framework to hang the larger, wavelike movements on. It really starts to kick in around the 15 minute mark, when Section 3B begins.

There used to be several good recordings of it on YouTube that have all since disappeared, which is a shame because it raises the barrier for entry; I would have loved to link one here. It’ll really take you for a ride though, if you let it.

Re: Organ Grinding: When the Audience Revolted at Carnegie Hall

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There are a lot of negative comments here about the piece, and I’m not going to disagree with anyone’s musical tastes. I will however caution you not to dismiss the composer based on this work alone. A fair amount of his work is as sparse as this, and some of what is not can still be pretty inaccessible especially if you’re expecting to hear something more traditional. One piece of Steve Reich’s in particular though…

Precisely this. Reich's other works do a much better job, in my opinion, of accomplishing his goals, engaging you intellectually without boring your ears, either.

'The Desert Music' is also very good composition, as well, more organic and almost score-like in its structure, if you want his take on something more traditional.

Re: Organ Grinding: When the Audience Revolted at Carnegie Hall

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s certainly true you can find musical qualities in almost any noise, but “music” by definition is a purposeful structure or arrangement of sounds to convey an idea or emotion. That is not to say that all music must follow some prescribed form or another, but the distinction between sound and music is, at a minimum, structure and intent. And it is also possible to intentionally structure some sounds in a way as to…

Is Cage's 4'33" unmusic? Are the birds, tweeting birds songs, unmusic? I think you're confusing only musical styles that you recognize as music for the whole world of music we are surrounded by.

The birds are musical, and may be music to your ears (as in metaphorical music) but whether birdsong is literal music seems to be up for debate [1] unless a human records and samples it into such.

Cage is performance art certainly but not, IMO, music. Again it’s something certainly up for debate. [2] But such debate reminds me of a particular South Park episode based in SF.

[1] - http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=...

[2] - https://youtu.be/WTCVnKROlos

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