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As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by landryraccoon »

primitur wrote: post #55
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"history" "statistics" oh bravo you just said a pair of words. Here, I'll do the same thing: "History. Statistics." Now who's right? "hatred for this subject"? Sure. I know a lot of people who had shitty parents. I know a pair of brothers who committed suicide because their father molested them. Many of my friends hate their folks. My own are terrific, incidentally. When I say those are privileged assumptions, that's…

History: you only need to look beyond your own sphere to see that historically, yes, a majority of all parents, ever, have cared for their kids and wish for them to have a better future. Statistics: if it were not so, we wouldn't have survived as a species, let alone been to the moon and been given the 'privilege' of iPhones, et al. Privilege: oh look, you used a word.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it doesn't account for how Facebook et al.. could have existed in the first place, or why there could be anything wrong with it.

Facebook exists. Parents let their kids go on it. Kids go on it happily. By your logic, since parents obviously care for their kids, and parents let their kids go on Facebook, Facebook is good for kids, parents and society as a whole. Statistics? Over a billion people signed up to use Facebook. Statistically, you're wrong and the people who like Facebook are right.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by creato »

maxxxxx wrote: post #48
rco8786 wrote: post #2

Because they’re all doing the same stuff?

Exactly! Google, Twitter, Snap and others are exactly the same. It's exactly the same business models as Facebook's. The whole focus on Facebook is pretty misguided. Maybe it will hurt Facebook but there will be a ton of companies ready to jump in and do exactly the same or worse. In the end we need privacy regulation and make the business of selling customer data difficult to the point it doesn't make sense for most…

They are not the same. Yes, they all collect a lot of information, but only Facebook allowed much of that information to come into possession of third parties.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by SllX »

primitur wrote: post #10

The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…

There's too many parents that shouldn't be parents for that to really catch on and simultaneously net the results you would like to see, assuming a kid even has a parent or active adult figure in their life.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by itakedrugs »

primitur wrote: post #10

The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…

I think that parental controls can be abused by the people implementing them and avoided by the kids "using" them so it is probably better to teach the kids what is right and wrong.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by paxys »

> Part of the silence, people in the industry say, comes from a desire to avoid the business equivalent of bad karma — knowing that they, too, may one day face the buzz saw of public censure.

This is pretty much it. Rule 1 of PR is not to criticize competitors for problems you have as well.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by paxys »

hx2a wrote: post #51

Today the WSJ has an article with the opposite headline: Silicon Valley Rivals Take Shots at Facebook https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-rivals-take-shot...

Other SV companies (Apple, Salesforce etc.) and former Facebook executives, but no one that actually compete with them in social networking/advertising. The lone Google statement is a personal one from an engineer, not a company stance.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by musage »

sattoshi wrote: post #40
daveid wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Can you really say "elephant in the room" in a thread about social media and not mention Mastodon[1]? That's a facebook rival that's not staying mum... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSbNdBmWKE

Literally nobody mentioned it to me except on HN. Nobody I know uses it.

That's what makes it an elephant in the room. And that's even before the pun, with it having an elephant as a mascot.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by maxxxxx »

creato wrote: post #62
maxxxxx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! Google, Twitter, Snap and others are exactly the same. It's exactly the same business models as Facebook's. The whole focus on Facebook is pretty misguided. Maybe it will hurt Facebook but there will be a ton of companies ready to jump in and do exactly the same or worse. In the end we need privacy regulation and make the business of selling customer data difficult to the point it doesn't make sense for most…

They are not the same. Yes, they all collect a lot of information, but only Facebook allowed much of that information to come into possession of third parties.

Just wait. They will all look for ways to monetize their data once there is pressure to meet growth numbers.

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Post by na85 »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #50
primitur wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What makes you think most have a desire to raise their kids with future-proof values? History. >What makes you think that most have a desire to raise their kids? Statistics. > privileged assumptions I think you've got a bit of hatred for this subject. >Simpson/Huxtable thing is valid. Fiction is merely an analog for the truth; in this case, a very minor, small part of the reality of parenting. No, Homer is not a goo…

"history" "statistics" oh bravo you just said a pair of words. Here, I'll do the same thing: "History. Statistics." Now who's right? "hatred for this subject"? Sure. I know a lot of people who had shitty parents. I know a pair of brothers who committed suicide because their father molested them. Many of my friends hate their folks. My own are terrific, incidentally. When I say those are privileged assumptions, that's…

You lost the argument as soon as you tried to play the privilege card.
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