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1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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A pencil on a spring is enough to measure maximum acceleration, I'm sure by 62 they had something at least as sophisticated.

Imagine if they have the advanced capability of moving the paper under the pencil, they might get acceleration over time.

In 1962 they would have had multi-channel magentic tape (analog) recording. The first flight data recorders date to the early 1940s.

Fitting it in ejection seat might be another challenge but I'm sure they would have developed something before moving to live subjects.

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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It's the reality of testing. You have no idea how many animals died to produce every drug you've ever taken: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1676-5-horrifyin...

No kidding. If it weren't for the animals it'd be us . It's always ironic to see animal rights advocates' responses when they are asked if they'd rather volunteer to be the research subjects instead. They are surprisingly reluctant... This tends to make them ponder a bit more: "If we hadn't experimented on animals, you might not even be alive today."

This is speciesism in its purest form. So if we took a Planet of the Apes style plot twist, and apes became the dominant life form on earth, I suppose you'd be OK with them strapping you in to some test where you will probably meet a horrible end, all so they can progress their technology?

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Humans need to have some fucking respect.

A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.

Sure, they'd eat you for food / out of necessity. They wouldn't mutilate you just as an experiment though.

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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... that's really no excuse? 1. How many animals have humans driven to extinction now? Perhaps they would not be extinct were people to treat them with greater respect. 2. If you treat an animal with respect the tables will never have an opportunity to turn, because you won't be blatantly trespassing on it's turf.

This reeks of naturalistic fallacy. Humans are bad because we exploit animals. Yet, humans are animals, and this is what animals do given the chance. We don't need an excuse. Just because we can introspect and consider the ethical state of things doesn't mean we have to abandon all progress and be an agrarian society. Can we improve? Sure. I don't like to see anything needlessly suffer, but a few bears being killed i…

> This reeks of naturalistic fallacy. Humans are bad because we exploit animals. Yet, humans are animals, and this is what animals do given the chance. We don't need an excuse.

> Just because we can introspect and consider the ethical state of things doesn't mean we have to abandon all progress and be an agrarian society.

It's exactly because we can introspect and consider the ethical state of things, that means that we should. The fact that you can think and reason about the fact that you're stealing from someone else, or otherwise harming something else, the fact that you are (hopefully) intelligent enough to think of a different way, means that you have a moral duty to be better than that.

You argue that I succumb to the naturalistic fallacy, and yet you are the one doing so. You argue that we do not need an excuse for our behaviour because we are animals, and it is natural for animals to exploit other animals.

In addition to that grave error, you're also making a complete false equivalency in equating "not using a random bear as a test pilot" with "abandoning all progress and becoming an agrarian society".

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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post #61
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if they have the advanced capability of moving the paper under the pencil, they might get acceleration over time.

In 1962 they would have had multi-channel magentic tape (analog) recording. The first flight data recorders date to the early 1940s. Fitting it in ejection seat might be another challenge but I'm sure they would have developed something before moving to live subjects.

Might these proto-engineers also harnessed radio waves to transport signals across the aether for a form of telemetry?

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Crash test dummies are at least a standard. Maybe people were misconstruing "horrible science" as something other than low quality science? HN while being a seething pit of criticality, it has a low tolerance of anything that questions science or the march of technology.

> Maybe people were misconstruing "horrible science" as something other than low quality science? It would only be "low quality" if it didn't fit their purpose. Which was some rough estimate, not to get the final word of whether humans survive an ejection.

Eggs or feta would have been a better choice.
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