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Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Unless you disable your WiFi and only use a VPN while you are connecting to the web via your phone.

Even that doesn't solve the problem... https://www.tomsguide.com/us/FCC-Mobile-Devices-iPhone-Andro... "Devices that are not GPS-enabled must be tracked via triangulation with local cellular towers, a time consuming process that can only give an approximate location and can dangerously delay critical assistance. The new regulation will allow almost universal pinpoint location of 911 callers by emergency responders. N…

True, but that's something your cell provider (and the providers of other base stations your phone has pinged) has access to, not your typical website.

But you are 100% correct that the cell network knows to within a rough approximation where you are and how fast you travel. This information is also used to predict where and when the next cell-hand-off will happen.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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I empathize a lot with this guy. I wanted to share my recent story:

I unfollowed every single person and page I'm connected to on Facebook a month and a half ago.

Every time I look at a Facebook there's just about no value. My feed is empty. Nevertheless, I'll visit it by habit. It's weird to see how that persists.

I am not posting (never really did anyway), and I have no idea what's going on with the people I didn't really interact with that much anyway.

What put me over the edge was answering the question: "Does anyone that I deeply care for post anything (at all)?"

Answer for 90% was no. And there rest I still have phone/text to communicate.

This has all made me consider what relationships in my life are important. And it's made me consider how susceptible I was to a fine-tuned algorithm hungry for outrage and virality, and how that influenced my relationships and myself.

I feel great opting out. I hope to fully delete the whole thing soon. Weird that I can't just do that.

I recommend the unfollow thing.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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post #63

I empathize a lot with this guy. I wanted to share my recent story: I unfollowed every single person and page I'm connected to on Facebook a month and a half ago. Every time I look at a Facebook there's just about no value. My feed is empty. Nevertheless, I'll visit it by habit. It's weird to see how that persists. I am not posting (never really did anyway), and I have no idea what's going on with the people I didn't…

I did the same thing: Unfollowed everybody except for the people I truly cared about. Needless to say the news feed wasn’t nearly as full, and a lot of the content was redundant because I had a real “off network” relationship with the people I still followed. It became unnecessary to check Facebook at this point, and now I rarely log in, if at all.

I also highly recommend curating who you follow, you may realize you don’t need FB after all.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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The major complaint here is that not being on Facebook leaves him out of things that are now on Facebook. And I get that, for a good while I was off facebook entirely and felt quite left out. But still... it doesn't really make sense to me for that to be your primary complaint. You could make the same complaint about email, or the internet in general.

That said, I think it is a terrible shame more efforts haven't gone into making an alternative -- and at this point, it would need to be a compatible alternative -- that is not controlled by a single for-profit organization.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Its not a matter of trading personal information for access to a social network, which is a reasonable thing to do.

Its a matter of letting a nefarious actor into your life to feed you addictive poison, torpedo your well being, and feed you propaganda. Each new revelation makes this increasingly clear.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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post #36

Not being on Facebook is sort of like not having a cellphone. As someone who has never had a cell phone, I can say that living this way in a first-world country is challenging. I've been in situations where it's assumed I do have a cell phone, and the result ranges from awkward to maddening for the other party. I also don't have a Facebook account. Not having a cell phone is much more troublesome. The pull of network…

Not having Facebook and not having a cellphone are two completely different things. If you don't have Facebook, you might miss out on some social stuff. Not having a cellphone is a bad idea, even just from a safety standpoint.

What if there is an incident and you need to call emergency services? Maybe you crash your car? Maybe you come across another crashed car, and can't contact emergency services because you don't have a cellphone?

I understand why you wouldn't want to carry around a cellphone all the time for privacy reasons (government tracking etc.), but why not get a $10 dumbphone and keep it turned off and in your backpack, or in your glovebox in your car? Nobody can track you if it's turned off.

I'm not sure about the USA, but at least in New Zealand, you'd only have to top up a few dollars every 6 months to keep your SIM active, and you don't need to register SIM cards in your name (although I know that other countries, like Australia, require this). Even without a SIM in your phone, you can still ring emergency services. There's no reason not to buy a $5 phone and keep it around just in case.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that doesn't solve the problem... https://www.tomsguide.com/us/FCC-Mobile-Devices-iPhone-Andro... "Devices that are not GPS-enabled must be tracked via triangulation with local cellular towers, a time consuming process that can only give an approximate location and can dangerously delay critical assistance. The new regulation will allow almost universal pinpoint location of 911 callers by emergency responders. N…

True, but that's something your cell provider (and the providers of other base stations your phone has pinged) has access to, not your typical website. But you are 100% correct that the cell network knows to within a rough approximation where you are and how fast you travel. This information is also used to predict where and when the next cell-hand-off will happen.

Yep - as always in security, it's important to know who your adversary is.

If your adversary is the NSA(/GRU/Mossad/etc) - you're fucked. Throw away all your electronic devices, torch your house, and hope you make it to Belize before they shut the borders to you.

If your adversary is Law Enforcement, they'll get cell tower data (quite likely without a warrant by just asking), and they'll then mislead a court and jury about how accurate that data is: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phon...

This link: http://urgentcomm.com/psap/different-strokes says that since '05 wireless carriers in The US have been required to do better than just "which cell tower you're connected to", but for some percentage of connections they're required to provide 50 or 150m location accuracy - which they can apparently do using three cell towers and triangulation. Since they're happy to hand over cell tower data to law enforcement when asked (or possibly when asked with a warrant) - I wouldn't bet against then handing this E911 Phase 2 level of location accuracy over.

Somewhat more worryingly... The cell providers seem to be happily monetising that data too: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/15/mobile-phone-companies-app... https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4187654/how-carriers-sell-...

Now out of the four big technology companies - two of them own a mobile OS and so can do whatever-the-fuck they want with your phone if you're "in their camp" and of the remaining two, one of them actually sells you stuff to make a living, the other makes their money by surveilling you.

With Facebook's warchest - what do you reckon the chances are of them _not_ buying cellphone location data on the open market to add to their advertising-marketing machine?

I'm not saying I know they are - but I do know that the data about location down to perhaps 50m accuracy or less is legally required to be available to the cell operators - and they've been caught in the past selling that data - and Facebook have _very_ deep pockets to pay for data to match against theirs. (And there is almost _zero_ chance that whatever the cell companies might to to "anonymise" that cell location data, Facebook wouldn't be able to de-anonymise it by correlating to to other data they collect.)

But yeah, having your phone use a VPN no doubt helps...

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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post #63

I empathize a lot with this guy. I wanted to share my recent story: I unfollowed every single person and page I'm connected to on Facebook a month and a half ago. Every time I look at a Facebook there's just about no value. My feed is empty. Nevertheless, I'll visit it by habit. It's weird to see how that persists. I am not posting (never really did anyway), and I have no idea what's going on with the people I didn't…

You don't have to delete it. I signed in my Facebook account for a first time in about 5 years, and find I lose nothing. I did not unfollow anyone I followed, and spent 5 minutes reading about some recent news, feeling guilty of wasting that time.
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