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Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by jdietrich »

some_account wrote: post #2

Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I feel like society is becoming more and more like that. Laws like these are being passed and people are too numb to care.

The world of Idiocracy is a utopia. They're not only willing but eager to appoint the smartest man in the world to high office. President Camacho steps aside as soon as he realises that there is someone better qualified to be president. The movie shows a world that is deeply dysfunctional, but also devoid of any signs of bigotry, hatred or totalitarianism. There are no death camps, no migrations of starving people, no persecuted minority being scapegoated for the food crisis. We should envy those happy idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZOZjHjT5E

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by chapill »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #29
brisance wrote: post #19

This is frankly surprising to me. Didn’t the Pirate Party win seats in the Swedish parliament? What happened to them?

They won seats in the EU parliament, but didn't manage to enter the national parliament. Since then their main issue has mostly died, the law allowing FRA to spy on all our outgoing communications passed and the pirate bay people where taken down. But there's not been much action about these issues since then, and as a protest party option they are completely eclipsed by the racists.

Lesson learned: Don't mess with the copyright mafia.

They won America with DMCA. They're even beating computer nerds in Sweden. The only win we've had lately is Trump killing the TPP. Thank goodness for that man.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by mindslight »

rotorblade wrote: post #26
blunte wrote: post #18

I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. Presumably the bill will not pass if it's terrible and the other members are sane/not-corrupt. So the presence of this bill is unfortunate, but I doubt it would get passed. The money in politics problem has been increasing in much of the development world, so we have seen co…

> I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. So this "bill" is the result of an investigation started by the government. The investigation concludes (document posted by me elsewhere in this thread (in Swedish)) that it would be appropriate to change the law, and what the "bill" should look like. Have not found the st…

This sounds exactly like the kind of indirect bureaucratic process the copyright cartels would resort to buying, after their direct attempts flamed out. The result hardly sounds like the conclusion from rational inquiry.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by kstenerud »

INTPenis wrote: post #36
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And they get psychological care very often. ...Should they not? I mean, granted those sentences seem awfully lenient, but unless their sentence is life or death, they're going to get out eventually, and we want them to be less rapey when they do, right?

I'm just saying that psychological care is a summer camp compared to some other prisons. Problem is that when pedos end up in normal prison they need 24/7 guards because the other inmates will hurt them. So in psych care they end up with others of their own kind and more lenient environments.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by Legogris »

Feniks wrote: post #60
Legogris wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swede chiming in here. No. The typical Swede feels that it's one of the less serious crimes there is. Under speeding, far under DUI, under possession of drugs for personal use, maybe on par with parking violation. We had quite a movement for digital freedom about a decade ago when the Pirate Party was on the rise and there was opposition against surveillance from FRA (Swedish equivalent of NSA), but the average perso…

I would imagine that Swedish politicians are also vulnerable from lobbying and US diplomatic pressure.

Indeed. Antipiratbyrån (The Anti-Piracy Bureau) was a lobby organization representing copyright holders in films and computer games until 2011. They surveilled people, breaching privacy laws but got exempted in court because it was done for a good cause. Infiltrated a Swedish ISP, tracked down filesharers online and took them to court and influenced the political debate a lot.

I don't have any illusion of lobbying and diplomatic pressure having lessened since.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by drak0n1c »

speedplane wrote: post #15
namaemuta wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Do you understand what I'm saying?" shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!" "Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm. "What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?" "I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly. "I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have n…

It's far more nefarious to steal $1.00 from a million people than $1M from one.

Robbing a bank is doing the former. Who pays for FDIC?

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by yuhong »

Thinking about it, part of the reasons music labels got big is for economy of scale when mass producing CDs for example. Of course, such economy of scale was not needed anymore with the move to digital distribution. This didn't work well with the current debt-based economy where shareholders depends on stocks always going up for things like retirements and companies treat people as "consumers" to be extracted from. I assume that Hollywood has similar problems, right?

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Post by acct1771 »

Legogris wrote: post #65
Feniks wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine that Swedish politicians are also vulnerable from lobbying and US diplomatic pressure.

Indeed. Antipiratbyrån (The Anti-Piracy Bureau) was a lobby organization representing copyright holders in films and computer games until 2011. They surveilled people, breaching privacy laws but got exempted in court because it was done for a good cause. Infiltrated a Swedish ISP, tracked down filesharers online and took them to court and influenced the political debate a lot. I don't have any illusion of lobbying an…

> got exempted in court because it was done for a good cause.

Wow...as described here, your legal system sounds...useless.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by rotorblade »

acct1771 wrote: post #69
Legogris wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Antipiratbyrån (The Anti-Piracy Bureau) was a lobby organization representing copyright holders in films and computer games until 2011. They surveilled people, breaching privacy laws but got exempted in court because it was done for a good cause. Infiltrated a Swedish ISP, tracked down filesharers online and took them to court and influenced the political debate a lot. I don't have any illusion of lobbying an…

> got exempted in court because it was done for a good cause. Wow...as described here, your legal system sounds...useless.

It is very bad indeed.

1. The judge in the pirate bay case was a member of an organisation "Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt"/"The Swedish Organisation for Copyright" (my own translation), and it was decided not to be partial to the pirate bay case. See for example [0].

2. Even if there were diplomatic pressures on Sweden from the US (which there were [1], their actual impact is what is in question), it should be impossible for a minister to influence the police directly [2]. Which makes for the pirate bay take down to be a ridiculous coincidence.

3. Sweden allows lawyers with their own, so called, "intellectual property" interests to defend suspects of file-sharing. See for example [3] which do give credit for this lawyer doing a good job, but just in principle this seems absurd (imo). I hope he is not allowed to be the defence lawyer if it is his own material at least.

[0] (Swedish, summary in English) https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/3800...

[1] https://torrentfreak.com/how-the-us-pushed-sweden-to-take-do...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerstyre

[3] (Swedish) https://overklass.wordpress.com/tag/fildelning/

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