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What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by jsjohnst »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #33

I get the feeling the pilots (recreational) in my area really don’t like drones. I file my flight plans electronically and, maybe this is coincidental but, every time I file a flight plan a small aircraft will apear right overhead flying low within a few minutes. It happens every time. Sometimes multiple aircraft will arrive and buzz me. I of course have to stay under 400 feet but get this, those pilots are often fly…

Would love to chat more about this privately. My contact info is in my profile.

Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by jsjohnst »

cmurf wrote: post #15

Can a drone stay in level flight in the downwash of a helicopter's main rotor? I'm not sure what their relative velocities are.

Depends on the drone and also which helicopter and how close the helicopter is to the drone (and also the ground, because of vortex ring state).

Give me criteria for the later part and I’ll be happy to calculate the likelihood.

Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by jsjohnst »

axau wrote: post #41
wvenable wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope one day drones are regulated similarly to guns What country are you in?

USA, which, contrary to popular belief, has lots of restrictions on the use (though not necessarily ownership) of guns. Try discharging a weapon anywhere near a major metropolitan area and let me know how it goes :)

> Try discharging a weapon anywhere near a major metropolitan area

I used to do it all the time in a major city. Shooting ranges exist inside major metropolitan areas you know.. ;)

Yes, I know that isn’t what you meant, but broad waving statements deserve this kind of response imho.

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Post by bennesvig »

axau wrote: post #38

I hope one day drones are regulated similarly to guns, i.e. de facto banned unless some exception applies, such as: - you're in the middle of nowhere - you're doing it exclusively on a property you own (and the property is large enough) - the use case is in the public good (e.g.: police can use guns) In other cases, the downsides are large given potential for abuse/voyeurism/sabotage, and upsides seem nil.

That seems very excessive, though regulation so far has been positive. Not that this is you, but fear of "voyeurism" is often said by people who aren't familiar with drones. I've owned multiple drones and would never consider them a spying tool since they aren't discrete/sound like a flying lawnmower. Additionally, most drones are equipped with wide-angle lenses which means you'd have to get pretty close to spy.

My main worry about drones comes from terrorists using them where crowds of people are gathered (concerts, events, etc), as other people have mentioned.

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Post by axau »

jsjohnst wrote: post #63
axau wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA, which, contrary to popular belief, has lots of restrictions on the use (though not necessarily ownership) of guns. Try discharging a weapon anywhere near a major metropolitan area and let me know how it goes :)

> Try discharging a weapon anywhere near a major metropolitan area I used to do it all the time in a major city. Shooting ranges exist inside major metropolitan areas you know.. ;) Yes, I know that isn’t what you meant, but broad waving statements deserve this kind of response imho.

Yes, and those could fall under the properties you own exception (or have permission to use from the owner).

Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by axau »

bennesvig wrote: post #64
axau wrote: post #38

I hope one day drones are regulated similarly to guns, i.e. de facto banned unless some exception applies, such as: - you're in the middle of nowhere - you're doing it exclusively on a property you own (and the property is large enough) - the use case is in the public good (e.g.: police can use guns) In other cases, the downsides are large given potential for abuse/voyeurism/sabotage, and upsides seem nil.

That seems very excessive, though regulation so far has been positive. Not that this is you, but fear of "voyeurism" is often said by people who aren't familiar with drones. I've owned multiple drones and would never consider them a spying tool since they aren't discrete/sound like a flying lawnmower. Additionally, most drones are equipped with wide-angle lenses which means you'd have to get pretty close to spy. My m…

It doesn’t really matter how discrete or not they are if even if you know about it you can’t do much about it.

I’m also not convinced by a “don’t worry the camera is bad” argument; looking at drone footage online it seems to have plenty of resolution to distinguish people in one’s backyard, for example, and I’d expect those to only get better over time.

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Post by jsjohnst »

axau wrote: post #65
jsjohnst wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Try discharging a weapon anywhere near a major metropolitan area I used to do it all the time in a major city. Shooting ranges exist inside major metropolitan areas you know.. ;) Yes, I know that isn’t what you meant, but broad waving statements deserve this kind of response imho.

Yes, and those could fall under the properties you own exception (or have permission to use from the owner).

Again, wrong. If I own a property in a major metropolitan area, I generally can’t discharge a firearm in the city just because I do it on my own property.

Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by axau »

jsjohnst wrote: post #67
axau wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and those could fall under the properties you own exception (or have permission to use from the owner).

Again, wrong. If I own a property in a major metropolitan area, I generally can’t discharge a firearm in the city just because I do it on my own property.

This is why I said, in my original comment, "and the property is large enough" (implying it doesn't interfere with others; or you have a permit, ...).

I'm sure you knew that though. What exactly is your point? Would you like me to rewrite my original post in fully specified legalese just so you can't nitpick? :P

Re: What May Be U.S.’s First Drone-Linked Aircraft Crash Is Being Investigated

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Post by jsjohnst »

axau wrote: post #68
jsjohnst wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, wrong. If I own a property in a major metropolitan area, I generally can’t discharge a firearm in the city just because I do it on my own property.

This is why I said, in my original comment, "and the property is large enough" (implying it doesn't interfere with others; or you have a permit, ...). I'm sure you knew that though. What exactly is your point? Would you like me to rewrite my original post in fully specified legalese just so you can't nitpick? :P

Where did you say “the property is large enough”?

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Post by axau »

jsjohnst wrote: post #69
axau wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I said, in my original comment, "and the property is large enough" (implying it doesn't interfere with others; or you have a permit, ...). I'm sure you knew that though. What exactly is your point? Would you like me to rewrite my original post in fully specified legalese just so you can't nitpick? :P

Where did you say “the property is large enough”?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16404025

Done here.

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