Everyone would save time if the car companies just sold the schematics of their cars to each other.
A Company That Tears Cars Apart to Find Out How They're Built
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#62Ironic that is perfectly okay by manufacturers for someone to disassemble their car yet electronics companies go nuts and sue you. https://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/conservation/why-we-mus...
Talk about the software companies..
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#63A fun comparison: Munro on the BMW i3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiBWfsDTAA Munro on the Tesla Model 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIo8e12sBM
One of those companies is a multi-million dollar client for them, and one is not.
I've seen similar comments everywhere I stumbled across this story. It's an easy takeaway, but that's not how automakers look at competitive benchmarking. Working with a company like Munro is an engineering decision. Munro breaks cars down, reverse engineers everything they possibly can, and draws as many conclusions about production methods as possible. Engineers with other automakers use this data to learn from how others approach problems.
The engineers don't give a damn about a Munro PR video about a competitor, period. It's a complete non-issue for them, and the same goes for their managers who are the ones who decide to work with Munro. They want to know every detail about how all the sausage is made (or what the sausage actually is). They don't care if the car is well made or poorly made; they're focused on the how; after all, even a car with severe quality control issues can offer useful insights. Besides, every peculiar (or even dumb) design or manufacturing decision they've made was previously laid bare by companies like Munro. Think of the process as something more like peer review or a morbidity and mortality conference for doctors. It's not a public process, despite something like this video.
Basically, the people who would care if Munro upset the company by speaking favorably about Tesla are the people who have no involvement in whether their company works with Munro in the first place. If someone from Ford marketing told Ford engineering to quit working with Munro because of a video, they'd be laughed at and promptly ignored.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not understand how there is no manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside, how does that even happen? His comments about the outside door handles were at least prefaced with his own physical limitation but the state of that car is mind boggling. This is on top of the known promised features and oversight with regards to the programming of the display. I did notice on reddit there is a story of a…
>manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside Brother of my close friend literally burned to death in a Hyundai with no manual override for unlocking/opening doors. Granted he had modified the car's stereo system with custom speakers and the roadside mechanic did not do a good job with it which caused short circuit/fire. But had he been able to manually open the doors he would still be alive today. And…
That's horrible. I have an enduring fear due to the lack of manual window winders. Harder to open a door in water than wind down a window.
Related - a woman was stuck in her Audi Q3 in 41C (106F) heat. (Australia, 2003)
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
How has China forced companies into tech transfer? Nobody forces them to manufacture in China.
Manufacturing is a large industry, but it's what China was targeting in the 1950s. They're aiming higher now. Most of the tech transfer is around next gen industries, such as batteries. And as for who is forcing foreign companies to do this? Hilariously enough, capitalism. Multinationals can't afford to miss selling to the Chinese market, or their board / shareholder's vote them out. So they're left to strike the bes…
I must disagree. India is a big market too. Then why didn't the multinationals come to share technology and set up manufacturing in India?
I think it's got more to do with having decade long focus under a single leadership than have politicians floundering to get reelected every 5 years.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not understand how there is no manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside, how does that even happen? His comments about the outside door handles were at least prefaced with his own physical limitation but the state of that car is mind boggling. This is on top of the known promised features and oversight with regards to the programming of the display. I did notice on reddit there is a story of a…
I agree, but if you are really safety minded you should have a metal pick/club to break the windows anyway. Can't rely on doors being operational during accident and can't wait for emergency response. Of course I don't have one :]
I keep one in the pocket of my driver's side door and one in the glove box. The ones I have also have a razor for cutting through the seatbelt.
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#68A fun comparison: Munro on the BMW i3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiBWfsDTAA Munro on the Tesla Model 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIo8e12sBM
That was a very informative video. My respect for the CEO shot up quickly. He wasn't really trying to sell anything but simply illustrating points of concern. I can tell he very much enjoys doing what he does.
He's trying to sell his services.
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#69A fun comparison: Munro on the BMW i3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiBWfsDTAA Munro on the Tesla Model 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIo8e12sBM
One of those companies is a multi-million dollar client for them, and one is not.
The counterfactual to this argument is that his clients would be much more likely to purchase his products if there was something to learn from a competitor like Tesla. They buy his services and reports to learn. If Tesla is vastly superior, and Munro understands how, that is critical to the Big three. Knowing or having some small boutique industry firm take pot shots at Tesla doesn't get them anything. This isn't being reported on NPR and CNN.
In reality, I think this has almost no impact on his business other than a little bit of publicity. Well run companies on the scale of GM are going to be just as interested in the data on a competitor whether their competitor is better or worse. There is always something to be learned. Ford is going to learn different things from Hyundai and from Mercedes...but they are going to learn.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of those companies is a multi-million dollar client for them, and one is not.
I've seen similar comments everywhere I stumbled across this story. It's an easy takeaway, but that's not how automakers look at competitive benchmarking. Working with a company like Munro is an engineering decision. Munro breaks cars down, reverse engineers everything they possibly can, and draws as many conclusions about production methods as possible. Engineers with other automakers use this data to learn from how…
Maybe he's trying to sell his services to Tesla so he dialed up the prickiness.
"I'm calling this out about your car. You got quality problems. We can help."