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Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Google and Facebook also use your data as input for increasingly sophisticated AI algorithms that put you in a filter bubble — an alternate digital universe that controls what you see in their products, based on what their algorithms think you are most likely to click on. These echo chambers distort people's reality, creating a myriad of unintended consequences such as increasing societal polarization. How is this an…

So are you suggesting that it isn't much, much worse now?

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

Facebook's "X years ago today, you posted this ..." has been amazing. I don't usually re-share it but it really brightens my morning or day to see photos of my kids when they were 4-5 years younger, and marvel at how much they've grown.

I mean, I'd still think about that even without FB showing me things, but I would not have managed to build a "here's a flashback!" photo-reminder system. In an age when we take SO MANY PHOTOS (and don't even bother curating them because we don't have time for it), it's nice to have that too.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Addressing root causes one key approach would be for someone to develop a better alternative to google analytics. I'd hazard that the usefulness and ease of use for webmasters to install analytics tracking via google analytics is the number one reasons that 76% of sites include google tracking. Develop a mass replacement for GA and you'll directly hut that number.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

The need for exponential growth will force all big players into making more money and doing shadier things more and more. I am especially concerned about Google and Facebook since they haven't figured any way for making for making money other than selling ads. Apple and MS at least have products they sell.

I think we really should start making it difficult for companies to grow beyond a certain size. I think they are a big net minus for the whole economy.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Yes! Disable 3rd party cookies, delete your Google & Facebook accounts, and done. Easy peasy.

I use gmail and don't wish to give it up for now. I launch gmail in a site-specific browser process so that my login is isolated. This makes it so that in my main browser, I'm not logged into my Google account and they don't see where I go. As a bonus, the "filter bubble" effect is diminished for my Google searches. That's not a reasonable approach for non-techies, but I thought it might interest the HN audience.

If the time comes when you are ready to move on from Gmail, I can recommend Fastmail and ProtonMail. Both use a webmail interface that is very similar to a desktop client. ProtonMail is free for a single address with low volume, Fastmail is $50/year. ProtonMail is based in Switzerland and Fastmail in Australia.

I'm not affiliated with either company but I've evaluated both and settled on Fastmail as my Gmail replacement, mostly because of the added features like file storage, static web hosting, and notes, all of which I've used extensively.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually that's not a reliable way to identify a unique user. Given the prevalence of NAT, re-using IPs by ISPs with DHCP, and a host of other reasons. (That's not to say there aren't ways to fingerprint users across devices and browsers.)

A service ISPs should offer as standard is regularly randomising your outbound IP from their pool for all but a whitelist you specify. So you can have a static IP for say you work firewall, but are harder to track otherwise

Most ISPs are in bed with the advertisers and tracking. That's one reason I don't use my ISP's DNS.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

Didn't they only encrypt internal traffic after the Snowdon revelation?

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

My concern about Google is not so much now, but maybe 20 years from now when they're desperate for revenue. Something akin to Yahoo's position in the last few years, except Yahoo didn't know almost everything about half the planet.
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