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Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by coldtea »

ImSkeptical wrote: post #51
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans presumably are seen as sentient yet [the majority of us?] are being exploited in one way or another: Capitalism has no inbuilt concept of respect. If you meant not exploited for food, that is obviously different. I'm not aware of any humans that do that anymore. Now tell me how you judge sentience?

Why can't we respect human dignity like those communists who murdered and starved tens of millions of people, ruined economies, and consigned countless people to oppression and deprivation?

How is a response about what communists did relevant to a critique of capitalism?

Except if one can't think of any other alternative or starting point from which to criticize capitalism but communism (and even more so, how some specific regimes practiced it).

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by coldtea »

announcerman wrote: post #60
joemi wrote: post #56

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Communism as you're referring to it is not what many supporters of communism (and/or opponents of capitalism) are advocating for.

As a citizen of an ex Eastern Bloc country I'd rather not have any other humans co-opt me into another helping of true communism™

Well, other members of ex Eastern Bloc countries disagree, so?

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by announcerman »

coldtea wrote: post #62
announcerman wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a citizen of an ex Eastern Bloc country I'd rather not have any other humans co-opt me into another helping of true communism™

Well, other members of ex Eastern Bloc countries disagree, so?

We'll decide in a democratic and respectful manner to not fall for the red plague again. If that was your point.

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by meaniehusker »

ikeyany wrote: post #21
sethbannon wrote: post #17

Listening to these remarkable recordings, I can't help but think that as time goes on, more and more of the artificial mental barriers we've built between us and non-human animals will fall. I hope with more research humanity stops seeing non-human animals as resources to be exploited but rather as sentient beings to be respected.

Those barriers are certainly falling. The campaign to end the live boiling of lobsters and crabs [1] is underway due to our findings that crustaceans can feel pain. [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42873644

everyone calm down...nature is ruthless.

here spend some time on https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by ikeyany »

samfriedman wrote: post #57
ikeyany wrote: post #21

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Those barriers are certainly falling. The campaign to end the live boiling of lobsters and crabs [1] is underway due to our findings that crustaceans can feel pain. [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42873644

I remember seeing on cooking shows for at least the past decade that the preferred, humane method of killing a lobster or crab is a swift knife cut through the head. I had thought that that was the generally accepted method, so I'm surprised that live boiling is still done.

> the preferred, humane method of killing a lobster or crab is a swift knife cut through the head

Yes, this is known to kill the crab.

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by 36bydesign »

kirkules wrote: post #53
tormeh wrote: post #50

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Every being with a consciousness must have feelings. Otherwise the consciousness wouldn't know what to do.

That doesn't mean physical pain is necessarily among the feelings felt.

It’s damn effective, harder to believe pain is felt by most (all?) animals than that it isn’t. The default assumption should be that they feel pain, not that they don’t.

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by astura »

blondie9x wrote: post #12

Whales are intelligent. They should not be killed by humans who mask the activities as scientific research. Japan is a great country and a leader on many levels. I speak Japanese. I enjoy Japanese food and culture. The people are very kind and considerate. There are some who are concerned if you stop killing whales you must stop killing fish and other forms of sustenance. This is not the case. The difference is whale…

I don't follow the logic of why intelligence should be the decider of "its ok to kill" over sentience.

Octopuses are incredibly smart but eaten by most Japanese, sometimes even alive.

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by matte_black »

dboreham wrote: post #55
kleer001 wrote: post #43

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They're a keystone species, have culture and language (probably older than any human one), they mourn their dead, and on and on...

Pigs are pretty cool too though.

Pigs are cheap and no one cares if you kill them.

Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by aspaceman »

meaniehusker wrote: post #64
ikeyany wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those barriers are certainly falling. The campaign to end the live boiling of lobsters and crabs [1] is underway due to our findings that crustaceans can feel pain. [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42873644

everyone calm down...nature is ruthless. here spend some time on https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/

Naturalism is a fallacy for a reason - there's no intrinsic advantage to being more like nature. Instead let's reason about it just as we would anything else.

There's also no need to tell people to calm down. The discussion in this thread appears quite calm to me.

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