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Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people running around in the streets freaking out when they are told to seek cover because there is an incoming missile?

Nobody teaches anyone about cover during a nuclear strike anymore. In fact, the concept is frequently mocked as cynical Cold War era propaganda.

CDC was going to. But they decided to postpone it. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/cdc-delays-nucl...

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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I will go out on a limb and say someone hacked the system and decided to prank an entire state. Fun fact, in my small hometown you could and possibly still activate the tornado warning system using DTMF and a transmitter on some frequency in the 149mhz range. To clarify, I never actually attempted it but I had a uniden radio scanner in my teens and noticed the pattern for the 12:00 test.

Perhaps similar to that town in Texas where hackers set off the air raid siren nonstop in the middle of the night.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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So a test drill went wrong.

It makes sense to have drills right now, India (tests with war against China and Pakistan), China (Telling their soldiers to be prepared to die for China), Russia(tests against Nato), and North Korea (getting ready for war with the US) are all having military tests for basically what will quickly become another world war.

We are really at a big crossroads as a large amount of people are rejecting globalization in many different countries. And with such major powers willing to fight hard for resources like Ukraine, South China Sea, Oil Eu pipelines, and not even mentioning the increasing gulf between various countries on core ideologies and creeds.

We really are at a new and dangerous crossroads.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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So it took 38 minutes to send out a new message informing this was a false alert. How is that possible if this was simply a human error during a "shift change"?

You'd think the people who "pressed the wrong button" would be able to press the same button again?

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This should not happen, yet time after time we see that critical American infrastructure and systems are run worse than a pre-revenue bay area chat startup. American infrastructure needs to invest and hire/pay for the same quality that bay area startups do. Let four people go that are inept and less qualified and pay a single solid person market salary. Besides the fear and chaos potentially caused to people in Hawai…

The government needs to employ lots of people. This necessarily means they will employ some low-quality people. It's such a difficult problem to produce high-quality work with low-quality employees that most tech companies of scale have optimized their hiring process to pass as few low-quality workers as possible at the cost of turning down many potentially good ones. It'd be nice to see some effort to make working with high quality-variance employees successful, but I think the reason we haven't seen much of a convincing, scalable answer yet is simply because it's a really hard problem.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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This should not happen, yet time after time we see that critical American infrastructure and systems are run worse than a pre-revenue bay area chat startup. American infrastructure needs to invest and hire/pay for the same quality that bay area startups do. Let four people go that are inept and less qualified and pay a single solid person market salary. Besides the fear and chaos potentially caused to people in Hawai…

Throw more money at it, the bay area solution. Right. It's just the lazy inept workers you say! Pay someone twice as much and surely they will be more competent!

In my mind the focus should be on the process for sending such an alert and how it could of gotten through by accident.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Serious question: for those of you reading this, how would you have responded in those 30 minutes?

I would've called my parents and then try to find cover. As pessimistic as I am sometimes, there's just enough paranoia on this issue to make me take it seriously.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Any reason why it would take 30+ minutes to rectify the mistake?

Civilian governments would have had to get clarity from a military caught off guard. Something as simple as the appropriate official being in a meeting could introduce delays.

You'd assume a potential strike by an incoming missile is important enough to interrupt said meeting?

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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So either this was a security breach, a human mistake or a psyops/test on a small isolated American population. In the first case, we'll probably only be told about it if they actually make an arrest and the system is patched. The second is an interesting case, we'll come back to. The final one: it was intentional and used to track what happened on the islands, and to also watch that information propagate back to the…

I'm not seeing the angle for an NSA-type agency - what would they benefit? There are enough events of significance that happen organically - they could track those much more easily. They don't need to create an artificial event.

The pattern is fairly predictable, too. Twitter users will hear of this first, followed by pockets of people with close friends in Hawaii. Then it will make the news sites and TV news.

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