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Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Apple to FBI: No you can't get into iPhones, our users want security. Apple to China: Here are the keys

Wow,I didn't think of that example. It's a pretty huge hypocrisy.

This is assuming "you can't get into iPhones" was not a poker face while they were passing information.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…

A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…

In some respects I'd rather have my data managed by a Chinese company than a British one.

It's exponentially more difficult for the Chinese government to wield data against me than it is for the British government, as I do not live somewhere where the Chinese government has any power over me.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…

I'm not sure Apple had any choice here. They can still be good for privacy in your country but they still have to play by the rules of the country they are operating in.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?

I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.

And how could Apple accomplish that?

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…

If that's a counterpoint, my point must have been unclear. I think we're in agreement.

I think I did not read your original comment very well.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that it’s within Apple’s rights in the US to refuse to cooperate with a warrant in the way that they did. The constitution of the United States has strong protections for individuals’ privacy from the state. This is not the case in China. In both cases, they are protecting user privacy to the greatest extent they can by law. Secondly, Apple is not handing the keys to their system over to China. Inst…

They absolutely have the right to refuse to cooperate with the Chinese government, its called refusing to do business in China.

Who is "They"? If it is "Tim Cook", then Tim Cook has the right to be CEO and do business in China, or get fired. If you mean Apple stock holders, I'm sure they wouldn't be happy about taking a huge hit on their second or (at times) first largest market. Would you be willing to slice your retirement savings in half for this?

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That might be a mistake. Once Apple makes a deal with China, Russia will ask for the same deal. Russian government want to keep the data in their country too.

If the choice is either to comply with those governments, or loose an enourmous market, Apple will comply in both cases.

Russian market is way smaller, and the good PR they will undoubtedly get for abandoning it will offset the losses.

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Apple's compliance with Beijing is morally weak but financially strong, not just for them but for Apple Developers.

A month ago, Apple noted that it has 1.8 million developers in China (and/or developers publishing to China -- not clear to me). At any rate, the Apple platform has made those developers $17 billion dollars.[1]

So China is big business for Apple developers and I assume many of those developers are US/CA/EU/AU/etc. who benefit from the platform being available in China.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/03/apples-tim-cook-says-develop...

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…

In some respects I'd rather have my data managed by a Chinese company than a British one. It's exponentially more difficult for the Chinese government to wield data against me than it is for the British government, as I do not live somewhere where the Chinese government has any power over me.

How privileged you are, then, not to live under the Chinese regime.
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