Apple to FBI: No you can't get into iPhones, our users want security. Apple to China: Here are the keys
Wow,I didn't think of that example. It's a pretty huge hypocrisy.
Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts
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#62This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…
A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…
It's exponentially more difficult for the Chinese government to wield data against me than it is for the British government, as I do not live somewhere where the Chinese government has any power over me.
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#63This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…
If that's a counterpoint, my point must have been unclear. I think we're in agreement.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference is that it’s within Apple’s rights in the US to refuse to cooperate with a warrant in the way that they did. The constitution of the United States has strong protections for individuals’ privacy from the state. This is not the case in China. In both cases, they are protecting user privacy to the greatest extent they can by law. Secondly, Apple is not handing the keys to their system over to China. Inst…
They absolutely have the right to refuse to cooperate with the Chinese government, its called refusing to do business in China.
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#68That might be a mistake. Once Apple makes a deal with China, Russia will ask for the same deal. Russian government want to keep the data in their country too.
If the choice is either to comply with those governments, or loose an enourmous market, Apple will comply in both cases.
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#69A month ago, Apple noted that it has 1.8 million developers in China (and/or developers publishing to China -- not clear to me). At any rate, the Apple platform has made those developers $17 billion dollars.[1]
So China is big business for Apple developers and I assume many of those developers are US/CA/EU/AU/etc. who benefit from the platform being available in China.
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/03/apples-tim-cook-says-develop...
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…
In some respects I'd rather have my data managed by a Chinese company than a British one. It's exponentially more difficult for the Chinese government to wield data against me than it is for the British government, as I do not live somewhere where the Chinese government has any power over me.