I'm guessing a HN commenter posted this comment on the article's page: > Let's call it Live Blockchain Water and watch the cash roll in! I nearly spit my drink out.
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Meet “raw” water – ludicrously priced unfiltered water with random bacteria
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Re: Meet “raw” water – ludicrously priced unfiltered water with random bacteria
#62Matt Levine had a pretty funny take on this: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-02/citi-told... But really, can this even be sold? What does the FDA do, exactly?
Are there laws against selling untreated well water? I mean, you're allowed to drink out of your well, shouldn't you be able to sell it if you state its origins and testing results truthfully?
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#63FWIW, I absolutely love my in-law's unfiltered well water. It's ridiculously hard water (tons of calcium etc.), and tastes very sweet as a consequence. I haven't ever had water that tastes as good, and we always fill up a couple jugs to take back with us. If I were somehow lose access to that water I'd probably try this at least once just to see if it's close.
Your well water was coming from property people you know own, not what some random snake-oil salesman is bottling and selling. Personally, I'd rather not risk it.
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#64Matt Levine had a pretty funny take on this: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-02/citi-told... But really, can this even be sold? What does the FDA do, exactly?
Are there laws against selling untreated well water? I mean, you're allowed to drink out of your well, shouldn't you be able to sell it if you state its origins and testing results truthfully?
Well, yes, you should be able to if all the tests are done. But, If I report 6/10 tests, then what?
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#65From the makers of Juicero comes Cholera water! This aligns pretty well with the ideas of the anti-vaccine movement though.
>This aligns pretty well with the ideas of the anti-vaccine movement though. //
Can you expand on that at all, what particular ideas do they have that this aligns with. Seems a long way from "vaccines contain stuff that is deleterious to health" [which is sometimes true, though key is that provably carriers in infant vaccines weren't causing Autism] to "we should drink water with unknown pathogens in".
Surely the refusal to put unknown pathogens in your body would align better with the refusal to put unknown vaccine constituents in to your/your child's body?
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've had well water with a lot of sulfur in it a few times. Not sure if I'd say I like it but it's an interesting experience.
Yeah, the sulfur heavy ones are pretty terrible, but that's not all Wells.
People will buy sulphurous water, "tastes vile enough that it seems like it could be a medicine" I think is the rationale. Eg at Bath in the UK, not sure if you can take it away but you can buy a glass in the tea-rooms.
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#67It’s easy to dismiss the claim that fluoride is a mind control drug, if taken literally. When I’ve probed just a little the actual claim I’ve heard is that it somehow affects personality, making for easier to control masses. I don’t know whether that’s true but at least that’s a claim that can be falsified. The other thing is: “Tap water? You’re drinking toilet water with birth control drugs in them,” There’s plenty…
fluoride isn't a mind control drug. They are too hard and don't work. From memory Cyclizine which is a motion sickness drug was originally a "truth serum", so you know, scandal and all that. Social conditioning works far better, with facebook and twitter its fairly easy to do at scale (see bubble bias) Tap water (in the uk at least) must be filtered and sterilized, which should remove microplastics. However, some pla…
>Social conditioning works far better //
Por que no los dos?
Re: Meet “raw” water – ludicrously priced unfiltered water with random bacteria
#68From the makers of Juicero comes Cholera water! This aligns pretty well with the ideas of the anti-vaccine movement though.
>This aligns pretty well with the ideas of the anti-vaccine movement though. // Can you expand on that at all, what particular ideas do they have that this aligns with. Seems a long way from "vaccines contain stuff that is deleterious to health" [which is sometimes true, though key is that provably carriers in infant vaccines weren't causing Autism] to "we should drink water with unknown pathogens in". Surely the ref…
In the article they talk about how this water appeals to those who are worried about prescription drug residues and fluoride in their drinking water.
It seems like the anti-vacc movement makes poor health decisions based on a flawed or limited understanding of science and a strong faith in pseudo-science.
Science says vaccines are good, pseudo-science says that scientists are wrong and vaccines cause autism. Science says fluoridated water is okay, the jury is on on prescription residue, and we have a pretty clear idea of what happens with contaminated water consumption, pseudo-science "look what sort of nasty things science put in your water! Lets go with natural water from dirty sources!"
Edit: It's not about keeping unknown things out of their body, it's about a small group of non-scientists making unfounded allegations that can undermine the efforts society has made to improve the health of humanity (small pox, cholera, etc.)
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This aligns pretty well with the ideas of the anti-vaccine movement though. // Can you expand on that at all, what particular ideas do they have that this aligns with. Seems a long way from "vaccines contain stuff that is deleterious to health" [which is sometimes true, though key is that provably carriers in infant vaccines weren't causing Autism] to "we should drink water with unknown pathogens in". Surely the ref…
In the article they talk about how this water appeals to those who are worried about prescription drug residues and fluoride in their drinking water. It seems like the anti-vacc movement makes poor health decisions based on a flawed or limited understanding of science and a strong faith in pseudo-science. Science says vaccines are good, pseudo-science says that scientists are wrong and vaccines cause autism. Science…
>Science says fluoridated water is okay //
Hmm, Wikipedia tells me the studies have been low quality as to whether it's harmful in any way. EC don't recommend using fluoridation of drinking water as they see no benefit when topical application is available ...
With such an important aspect of public health it strikes me as curious in the extreme that there aren't many high-quality studies?? That alone gets me concerned that something is being hidden ... is it any surprise that this would be a widespread concern?
>a small group of non-scientists making unfounded allegations //
The Autism-Vaccination issue was initially scientists raising a concern; in what appeared to be reasonable research. Until the USAmerican removal of mercury containing compounds from the vaccine and the subsequent lack of effect on autism levels I'd say it was still an open question [happy to be corrected on that, I've only looked back on the issue]. It turned out to be an [apparent] correlation without a causative link, but we had to wait a couple of years for that to come back - then there was large scale data.