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How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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What I feel is lacking from this postmortem is looking inwards : did you make mistakes and how did it affect the outcome. Answer : we made a huge mistake to trust people with all our money. This mistake has led to all our problems. I know it sounds obvious, but still.

Wow, if anyone was wondering about the definition of “victim blaming”, the-dude just saved you a trip to Merriam-Webster.com.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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I don't know why but it kind of rubs me the wrong way PR agencies for Kickstarter/crowd-funding even exist. I'd rather back something that had someone passionate with a shitty cell phone video over the generic sterile PR videos that everything seems to have now. https://twitter.com/Woodshedagency The hashtags on their twitter description almost seem like satire.

It’s worse there have been a few “PR” agencies looking for “talent” in a few maker spaces and hacker spaces in London. I know of 2 people who are somewhat known but still very minor in the maker space community being contacted directly to join a team/advise on Kickstarter projects all of which seemed like and over promising scam or some cheap Chinese custom gadget you can get on Aliexpress.

There is now effectively a new business where “PR” firms fun the marketing cost in favor of 50% or sometimes more of the campgain and pretty much after that they cut the cord and go to fund their next scam.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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I find it absolutely amazing that they would let someone else handle the money that represents the life of their business. Hard to feel sorry for them. No doubt the correct thing to do would have been to delay the campaign until the banking issues were resolved. This was an amateur mistake. Yea it would be nice if we lived in a world where we could be naive and let strangers handle our money without fear but we all k…

I don't think blaming the victim is a useful criticism. Trusting a vendor to perform the tasks for which they've been hired is hardly a fault. Woodshed represented this as a service they had offered clients in the past, and the client had a contractual addendum. In the world or raising money, it is extremely common, even required at times, for a fundraising partner to control some or all aspects of the financial arra…

They were not hired to handle their campaign banking, that was a side deal made with a hastily written contract because the founders failed to put time into setting up the necessary accounts. This is the start-up version of going to a check cashing service. We all cut corners trying to push our product out the door but I do think keeping the books in-house and having your own bank account is pretty sound advice, not victim blaming.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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There are a few things about this I don’t understand. How much money was it? Were they supposed to get a percentage of money raised, or did they get paid a fee and then get a percentage on top? Do I understand correctly that they’re having money problems so they kept your money to solve their money problems? The simple way to solve this is to take them to court. Is there anything more to the story than you trusted th…

It certainly should go to court... but that would be an international lawsuit, which is far from cheap. And the people who were wronged are the ones who would be ponying up the cash for a long, long time before they might see any restitution... I can't understand going public, and really I'm glad they did. I'm sure the other side will whine about 'libel', but in order for it to be libel you have to prove that it is false, and prove that the other party knew it was false and intended to do harm. I don't think Woodshed can even manage the first of that, let alone the other two.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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This is well into "criminal complaint" territory.

Having been taken for a lot of money by contractors in the past, getting the local DA to issue criminal complaints are near impossible. Recently had a GC on a job fake receipts, fake bank statements, everything you could think of to steal money from us. In the end, the DA wouldn't make it a criminal case, said it was just a civil matter.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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There are a few things about this I don’t understand. How much money was it? Were they supposed to get a percentage of money raised, or did they get paid a fee and then get a percentage on top? Do I understand correctly that they’re having money problems so they kept your money to solve their money problems? The simple way to solve this is to take them to court. Is there anything more to the story than you trusted th…

How much money was it? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rdacalos/upstart-the-bo... Looks like $35k. No one would risk destroying their reputation over that small sum. I wonder what the other side of the story is? Abuse is pretty common in gamedev, but this would be flagrant.

> No one would risk destroying their reputation over that small sum.

You really underestimate how bad some people's finances are right now in places like Michigan.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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There are a few things about this I don’t understand. How much money was it? Were they supposed to get a percentage of money raised, or did they get paid a fee and then get a percentage on top? Do I understand correctly that they’re having money problems so they kept your money to solve their money problems? The simple way to solve this is to take them to court. Is there anything more to the story than you trusted th…

How much money was it? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rdacalos/upstart-the-bo... Looks like $35k. No one would risk destroying their reputation over that small sum. I wonder what the other side of the story is? Abuse is pretty common in gamedev, but this would be flagrant.

Looks like $35k. No one would risk destroying their reputation over that small sum. I wonder what the other side of the story is?

People have killed for far less...If they were in a bad enough financial position, they could have thought that they would borrow their client's money to pay immediate bills, and pay the account back with future client earnings. It happens quite frequently in the legal world--it's the number one reason lawyers get disbarred in CA after drug use.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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If I were a backer of the KS, I think I would be pretty po'd to know that my money didn't go to the people/organization I was backing.

This is definitely something that needs to go to the courts; it has to be a form of financial fraud, and depending on the amount raised by the KS, it could end up being a fairly big deal.

As it is, if I were a backer, I would feel like I had been defrauded in some manner. Even if I got the "prize" (game) in the end, when I back a KS, I don't do it solely for the item or prize being offered for being a backer, but because I want to see someone succeed with their ideas and company.

Re: How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

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Nobody has mentioned the irony of the actual game:

"Upstart is a board game that simulates the ups and down [sic] of starting and sustaining a business."

A 3rd party contractor/service provider stealing your money is certainly one of the "downs" of running a business.

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