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FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by colordrops »

doubt_me wrote: post #22
grokas wrote: post #2

After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.

Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…

Every last bit of the spectrum will be privatized and they will eventually make it illegal to use the Mesh.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by Tushon »

revmoo wrote: post #39
doubt_me wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…

> comments being written by russian bots . Let's tone down the McCarthyism a bit shall we?

I guess it is still an assumption when they use Russian emails, submit through API, and are so formulaic as to be near identical ... but maybe it was legit. Sure.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/fake-view...

https://www.wired.com/story/bots-broke-fcc-public-comment-sy...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/11/24...

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by [deleted] »

colordrops wrote: post #61
doubt_me wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…

Every last bit of the spectrum will be privatized and they will eventually make it illegal to use the Mesh.

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Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by matthberg »

revmoo wrote: post #39
doubt_me wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…

> comments being written by russian bots . Let's tone down the McCarthyism a bit shall we?

It's true and documented, though: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/fake-view...

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by FilterSweep »

arca_vorago wrote: post #21
EGreg wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I said. Trump selected lots of people like that to head up agencies. They either have no experience, wanted to destroy the agency earlier, or will put their ideology before the will of the people every time.

Let's be clear about something here. These are most likely not organic Trump picks. This is about the biggest donors getting their quid pro quo in the form of cabinet picks due to regulatory capture... and leaks of the Obama admin indicate the same thing happened with him, the same with Bush before him, and likely with presidents for a long time. With Obama it was citigroup who got most of the picks if I remember cor…

I didn't downvote you.

I fail to see a Betsy Devos type character in either the Bush or Obama admin. She even wrote in a tax benefit to her neocon college in the Northeast.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by arise »

artursapek wrote: post #34

Honest question, what changes can we expect as ISP consumers if this happens? A follow up, if all it is is them charging customers more for using more bandwidth, how is that any different from any other fundamental resource like water, electricity, etc? Why should I pay as much money for my SSH and Hacker News as the guy down the street streaming Netflix all day?

There are countless ways you can use traffic discrimination to pad your own pockets without adding any value to the economy.

In the past we've seen ISP's block apps and websites that compete with their own services. For example, Verizon blocked tethering apps and AT&T blocked FaceTime at one point. A slightly different example is the time Comcast imposed a monthly cap on users (250 GB), but then exempted their own streaming media service.

We don't know how it will play out in the future. Most likely ISP's will act slowly at first to avoid excessive backlash. They may try to shake down websites instead of customers directly. For instance, they may take payolla form established players and slow down their competitors. Or they could do the cable TV style bundling thing. I suspect that VOIP, VPN, streaming, bittorent, and cryptocurrencies will suffer first and hardest.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by bo1024 »

revmoo wrote: post #39
doubt_me wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…

> comments being written by russian bots . Let's tone down the McCarthyism a bit shall we?

You probably didn't realize but the post is (I think) referring to comments on the FCC website, where several investigations have shown beyond all doubt that many "repeal NN" comments came from automated bots (though whether Russian in origin is not known).

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by binaryblitz »

thehardsphere wrote: post #26
EGreg wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I said. Trump selected lots of people like that to head up agencies. They either have no experience, wanted to destroy the agency earlier, or will put their ideology before the will of the people every time.

Just a pedantic procedural point: The FCC is not an "agency", but a commission with 5 members. Once a commissioner is named, they cannot be removed by the President for any reason besides misconduct. The two of them besides Mr. Pai who are Republicans have been on for quite a while and their agreement is necessary for this scheme of his to work. He presumably has it, otherwise there would be no vote taking place, so…

I feel like this happens with every president. People like to blame the person in charge when in reality, there are a LOT of other people doing nefarious things behind the scene.

Not trying to let trump off the hook, more so trying to get the message across that we have more to focus on.

Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”

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Post by masklinn »

imgabe wrote: post #31

If ISPs are going to gut net neutrality, we need a way to introduce real competition into the market. I wouldn't care if Comcast wanted to sell me access to 5 websites for $99 or whatever crap they're trying to pull if I had the option to switch to a better deal somewhere else. Strong state and local laws protecting the right to form municipal ISPs would be a good start. Those seem to scare Comcast & friends the most…

> Strong state and local laws protecting the right to form municipal ISPs would be a good start. Those seem to scare Comcast & friends the most. If corporate ISPs become significantly restrictive, I think we'd see a big upsurge in interest for municipal broadband.

Yeaaah about that? The GOP is no friend of muni.

Not that Democrats love it[0], but Obama's FCC did try to defend muni against state restrictions alongside its move towards Title II ISPs (it lost[2])

You probably won't see Pai's FCC defending municipal broadband.

[0] The map of muni restrictions as of 2015[1] is fairly evenly split between 2016 "red" and "blue" states on restrictions (red 4 blue 2) and outright bans (red 3 blue 2), however the deep south wins "regulated" for red team by a mile (red 7 blue 2)

[1] https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/198661-fcc-may-kill-stat...

[2] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/fcc-admits-defea...

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