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Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by lostcolony »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #36
Retric wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Boomers have actual power right now and plenty of time for their influence to spread; it's rational to blame them for a huge range of issues.

> it's rational to blame them for a huge range of issues No, it's not. It's making broad generalizations on a huge group of people. It's like blaming all white people for discrimination or all black people for crime. It's wrong and discriminatory, and makes the assumption that everyone in that group is equally bad. Instead of focusing on a certain age group, focus on the economic forces that gave boomers more opportu…

Economic forces are due to governmental decisions (baby boomers are the largest generational bloc in congress, and the president is a baby boomer; millenials, however, are the largest living generation) and consumer behavior (baby boomers are set to control 70% of disposable income within 4 years, https://impactbp.com/baby-boomers, and hold 50% of total wealth currently https://dupress.deloitte.com/dup-us-en/industry/investment-m...).

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by Wohlf »

gnu8 wrote: post #10

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Every generation thinks they invented sex and drugs, and theirs was the last good generation.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by cirgue »

pault wrote: post #5

I have a friend that's just inside the 1980 millennial designation and he's always talking about how horrible millennials are. If I'm not happy with my job I sound like a millennial. If I'm complaining about relationship issues or say I feel socially isolated I sound like a millennial.

It's easy to feel contempt for a generation who's response to a generation-defining economic collapse was as toothless and misguided as Occupy Wall Street.

It's absurd to draw that equivalency, but good, bad, or indifferent, that is what society at large sees as the Millennial generation's only foray into public life.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by crdoconnor »

lucozade wrote: post #48
crdoconnor wrote: post #32

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I'd call it a group of individuals acting out of rational self interest. The notion that there's an agenda behind any media beyond selling eyeballs is, of course, a harebrained conspiracy theory.

Of course they have an agenda. If you were to suggest that there is an agenda amongst the moneyed classes to keep corporate tax take low and restrictive regulation low then I would most heartily agree. There is overwhelming evidence that that is the case. That there is a high level conspiracy to pit parent against child so everyone's too busy infighting? Extraordinary claims etc.

"The can kicks back" is a good example of one of the more blatant attempts at this.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by phillc73 »

jordo37 wrote: post #38
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #26

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Source of stats on CSGO finals?

Seems like this was note quite true. CSGO finals had about 3m https://www.dexerto.com/news/e-league-csgo-major-breaks-view... The 2017 Superbowl as one example, had 114M. http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/media/super-bowl-ratings-pat...

I was trying to find some global sporting event television audience figures for 2017, but haven't found a good consolidated single source.

The UEFA Champions League final in 2016 attracted 350 million global viewers.[1] I am supposing the 2017 event wasn't too much less than this.

The 2017 Indian Premier League (IPL) final had 324 million viewers according to one source.

[1] http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/02/super_bowl_...

[2] http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/19660717/billion-peop...

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by Retric »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #49
Retric wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A specific subgroup of Boomers are still Boomers. So, yea it might not be every single Boomers fault equally, but that does not change anything it's still the Boomers fault.

That argument can be extended to black people. Blacks statistically commit more crime than whites in America. It's still bad to say that black people are violent, because it's a broad, presumptuous generalization that ignores the forces causing that trend. Along the same vein, it's bad to assume that an entire age group is bad just because some currently run the country.

It's important to consider reality even if it seems unpopular. Blacks are convicted of more crimes in the US, that does not mean they commit more crimes.

Just look at all the collage students not busted for drugs. We have a long history of intentionally creating systemic issues.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by Retric »

sobellian wrote: post #52
Retric wrote: post #39

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Economics are not separated from politics. The poor diet of most Americans is a direct result of various subsidies given to the farming lobby. Individual choices allow an individual to be fat, but at a national level it takes vast tracts of land. The growth of Chinese manufacturing is in large part a result of trade policies and our vast growing national debt's impact on currency's. Want long term growth? End deficit…

Do you consider the growth of Chinese manufacturing to be a bad thing? IMO China's economic growth has also helped US economic growth.

Like most things it's not purely one thing or another. It has propped up the communist party by reducing the suffering of the Chinese population. I have a hard time calling that a bad thing, but it did create many problems.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #49
Retric wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A specific subgroup of Boomers are still Boomers. So, yea it might not be every single Boomers fault equally, but that does not change anything it's still the Boomers fault.

That argument can be extended to black people. Blacks statistically commit more crime than whites in America. It's still bad to say that black people are violent, because it's a broad, presumptuous generalization that ignores the forces causing that trend. Along the same vein, it's bad to assume that an entire age group is bad just because some currently run the country.

Right. We're a species of clannish behavior. Whoever fills a niche first, favors (consciously or unconsciously) those in their clan. Niches include law, government, medicine, entertainment, engineering.

This is at root of most discussions about problems in these areas. And never gets mentioned, instead lots of intellectualizing about what should and shouldn't be.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by Justsignedup »

gnu8 wrote: post #10

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

There was a book I read about "are parents coddling their kids too much" and whatno, I forget the title...

They spoke about all the concepts of "hellicopter parenting", "kids being spoiled nowadays" etc. Then they go on to mention that literally every. single. generation that ever was written about since as far back as our records hold, was written about in the same way!

Yes, that's right, EVERY SINGLE GENERATION, since as far back as we have reporting, has been spoiled rotten, has no respect for elders, is entitled, and so on.

Re: Why We Blame Millennials for Everything

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

Retric wrote: post #66
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That argument can be extended to black people. Blacks statistically commit more crime than whites in America. It's still bad to say that black people are violent, because it's a broad, presumptuous generalization that ignores the forces causing that trend. Along the same vein, it's bad to assume that an entire age group is bad just because some currently run the country.

It's important to consider reality even if it seems unpopular. Blacks are convicted of more crimes in the US, that does not mean they commit more crimes. Just look at all the collage students not busted for drugs. We have a long history of intentionally creating systemic issues.

Racial discrimination may play a role, but it does not explain the discrepancies in crime rates that we see: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-amer...

I'm not saying that black people commit more crime because they're black. In fact, that's exactly the point I was trying to make: blaming black crime on their skin color is bad because it ignores the socioeconomic forces causing them to commit more crimes than other races with lower poverty levels. Just like how blaming boomers ignores the geopolitical and economic forces that gave them an advantage at the time. Not all black people commit crime, and not all boomers were privileged or lucky in life.

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