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Nasdaq Plans to Introduce Bitcoin Futures

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Re: Nasdaq Plans to Introduce Bitcoin Futures

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"CME is fairly anonymous". What planet do you live on?

>> "Yes, I know they are bigger but I can assure you that if you ask random people in my country most would know NASDAQ while very few would know CME" Just go out to a target and ask 5 people... Unless you live on mars already.

I imagine I'd get three "CME? Dunno WTF that is", "How about Chicago Mercantile Exchange?", "Oh yeah, I recognize that from the boring parts of morning news updates on the radio. They do something with soy beans, right?" and two "yeah, still dunno. Is it a farmer's market?"

Midwestern US city (not Chicago).

Re: Nasdaq Plans to Introduce Bitcoin Futures

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>how much of it will be settled in actual BTC vs USD Exactly none of it, considering that Bitcoin as a currency is fairly useless unless you're buying drugs or you're a botnet operator.

Fairly useless unless you're part of a roughly $1-trillion dollar[1] global industry, you mean? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade - Take the 2003 figure as a % of world GDP, apply to today's world GDP.

Ah yes, I'm sure all the people trading on Bitcoin futures are getting paid in Bitcoin and re-investing into the illegal drug market.

Re: Nasdaq Plans to Introduce Bitcoin Futures

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>> "Yes, I know they are bigger but I can assure you that if you ask random people in my country most would know NASDAQ while very few would know CME" Just go out to a target and ask 5 people... Unless you live on mars already.

I imagine I'd get three "CME? Dunno WTF that is", "How about Chicago Mercantile Exchange?", "Oh yeah, I recognize that from the boring parts of morning news updates on the radio. They do something with soy beans, right?" and two "yeah, still dunno. Is it a farmer's market?" Midwestern US city (not Chicago).

Outside of the US I don't think many would know what Chicago Mercantile Exchange is though while most would probably know Nasdaq.

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>how much of it will be settled in actual BTC vs USD Exactly none of it, considering that Bitcoin as a currency is fairly useless unless you're buying drugs or you're a botnet operator.

Or get a Shift Card (partner of Coinbase) and buy some nice coffee or gas or plane tickets... Everything is useless if you're a moron ;-). https://www.shiftpayments.com/

The places you use that aren't taking your Internet Fun Bucks though, it's just converting them into dirty fiat and giving that to merchants. Also, best hope that the $2 you spent on a carton of milk isn't worth $4 by the end of the week.

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Man, this is just weird. I just bought 0.05 Bitcoins (you know FOMO and all that) and it just feels so much more empty than back in the days when I mined them myself with my brand new dual Xeon CPU and later on was thinking grand thoughts and building little projects with epaper ink displays to display QR codes on small devices that would work on low bandwidth connections and maybe offline. Lots of problems to be sol…

Shit, somebody gave me 0.05 BTC a few years ago to go to a talk about what it was all about. Hopefully I still have that paper wallet, it must be worth close to $500

I went through all my old blockchain.info temporary wallets from 2014 in gmail the other day to collect the spare change I left in them at the time that is now worth $2k. Took 9hrs to confirm moving them, which is ridiculous. Guess it's time to switch to Monero or Zcash for use as a currency.

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I'm trying to send $700 in bitcoin to purchase something. It's going to cost me $65 to buy the coins and several hours of time. Of course, I am banned from Coinbase for an innocous bank mistake. There's literally no other options to buy coins at 1-2% in the US.

Im also banned from coinbase for asking them to hurry my verification because I needed to buy vitamins. They are a pretty miserable company. How can they claim to sell something "useful" then ban you if you mention using it? They basically are admitting to selling a security if that is the case..wondering if we could take all the nonsensically banned users and do a class action lawsuit against them. It would be one t…

> Im also banned from coinbase for asking them to hurry my verification because I needed to buy vitamins.

You don't see how that might be a red flag? What vitamins could possibly be so important that you couldn't wait a little while, and would be unavailable from another source?

Plus, the rudeness of "I'm more important than everyone else in the queue, hurry up" can't have helped.

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I've always been a negative detractor of bitcoin. But then I realized the problem was it was marketed wrong. As a currency, it's a nightmare of a creation. But as a store of value, it's actually pretty good. As long as you don't buy in at one of the speculative bubbles (which admittedly is when the majority of people get in), it's been pretty good at more or less maintaining its value. As a non-physical thing, it's a…

> But as a store of value, it's actually pretty good. It's got a pretty short, volatile history to be deciding that.

also much more difficult for average person or even gigantic corporation to secure than a physical good e.g. gold. And coins change over time with forks n crap, gold just stays gold.

Re: Nasdaq Plans to Introduce Bitcoin Futures

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Can an expert explain for the less informed: * Do futures markets typically stabilize the price of a commodity? * Who loses out if a futures contract can't be fulfilled (for example due to lack of liquidity in the underlying market)?

> Do futures markets typically stabilize the price of a commodity? Kind of. It doesn't necessarily stabilize the prices of the commodity so much as allow the transferring of the risk associated with price movements. > Who loses out if a futures contract can't be fulfilled (for example due to lack of liquidity in the underlying market)? The exchange acting as the clearing house is on the other side of each contract so…

What's even cooler about futures, is they are taxed at 60%/40% long term / short term capital gains. Great for anyone who holds less than a year.
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