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Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by kuschku »

laumars wrote: post #54
mluggy wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S3 is $0.023/GB (still x4 higher), plus $0.004 per 10K requests CloudFront is $0.085/GB, plus $0.0075-$0.01 per 10K requests) GCP is $0.08-0.12/GB (same for all services), plus $5 per 1M requests) And who says most of the bandwidth goes towards static assets? 99% of our requests are dynamic (thus the NodeJS frontends)

> And who says most of the bandwidth goes towards static assets? It obviously depends on the application but generally you'd expect that to be the case for web sites (ie not services that act only as an API backend). > 99% of our requests are dynamic (thus the NodeJS frontends) I don't know your business so you might be transferring more dynamic data rather than static but your argument here doesn't help explain your…

I’m not the one you responded to, but, I wanted to share my data:

I’ve had months where I’ve transferred above 180TB of data, at an overall cost of below 40€ in that month, with dedicated servers at a European hoster.

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by [deleted] »

kgilpin wrote: post #43
doh wrote: post #19

I think this is called maturity. GCP finally knows who the target customer is, and they're building features for them. DO has really nice and simple UI, but try to spin 5,000 servers and you will see what a hot mess it is. GCP shines at a very large scale. For us, what makes the difference, is the spending predictability and massive discounts coming from running preemptible servers or simply committing to certain usa…

+1 The real money in the cloud business is in the Fortune 1000, not the small fry. 5 years ago it was only startups and Netflix using the cloud. Now the battle is on between AWS, Azure and Google to be the “new data center”.

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Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by dekhn »

doh wrote: post #59
dekhn wrote: post #53

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dremel = bigquery, borg = GKE.

Yes, those are using the technologies underneath the hood, but are not them itself. I would like to have access to them directly as I would like to build other things at top of them

not really. BigQuery is for all intents and purposes an instance of Dremel running for cloud users. And GKE is effectively a clone of borg, rather than an instance of it- which is great. It sounds like what you want is a job at Google...

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by doh »

dekhn wrote: post #64
doh wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, those are using the technologies underneath the hood, but are not them itself. I would like to have access to them directly as I would like to build other things at top of them

not really. BigQuery is for all intents and purposes an instance of Dremel running for cloud users. And GKE is effectively a clone of borg, rather than an instance of it- which is great. It sounds like what you want is a job at Google...

Oh really. Then please add some vectors to BigQuery and run the query on it.

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by user5994461 »

gabemart wrote: post #41

I'm a bit surprised by the replies talking about serving millions of requests a second, or needing ultra-consistent packet latency. Perhaps most of the HN demo is working for companies that operate at that scale. But the OP is talking about running dozens of servers, not hundreds or thousands. My own modest apps have held up to the traffic from being #1 on reddit and not fallen over, never been null routed or nerfed…

>>> I'm a bit surprised by the replies talking about serving millions of requests a second, or needing ultra-consistent packet latency. Perhaps most of the HN demo is working for companies that operate at that scale.

There is a high concentration of serious professionals on HN running world class operations. There is also a large amount of startup and single man operations who would hate to write a $100 check.

The thing is, one can only be on one side. Then the other side has nothing valuable to say to you, all their advice is misplaced.

So, to answer your question. It's stupid to ask what apps will reach a large scale. You're either at large scale already or you are not. Obviously, the article is only intended for small scale operations (actually, the entire article is just a generic ad, digitalocean has a nice affiliate program).

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by jjeaff »

ericnyamu wrote: post #40
FBISurveillance wrote: post #9

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Ads, one of the most shitshow industries in the world.

1.2m request per sec of ads looks like adblock isnt working .

Good news to me. Let everyone else keep finding all the free services. Everyone can't use adblock or nothing is free anymore.

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by user5994461 »

dhimes wrote: post #56
FBISurveillance wrote: post #9

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Ads, one of the most shitshow industries in the world.

So Google built a platform that is excellent for running ad networks. It seems so obvious now.

Ads are a super intensive workload with super low margin. It'd be more correct to say that google built a very efficient platform that can run anything. Well, anything easier than ad, so almost anything.

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by user5994461 »

mluggy wrote: post #7
FBISurveillance wrote: post #5

More of a rant. There's time you need more flexibility. I'm serving 1.2MM requests per second from 3 GCP regions, managing instances and GKE clusters with terraform, and I cannot see how could I possibly set that up in a resilient fashion with DigitalOcean. I think DO is perfect for certain scale apps. You usually care about UI things mostly when you spin up couple servers; but when you operate hundreds of machines y…

You do get additional 2-3TB per instance which alone is a couple hundred $$ in bandwidth savings. Will it cover the price of these extra instances? Obviously if you need 8 SSDs DO isn't for you. But the real question is - could GCP be more lean back and still provide the same level of service? I think so.

Anyone who count in a unit less than kilo dollar is a waste of time for AWS/Google. A big business doesn't care about "hundreds of dollars" of savings, it's like cents.

Re: Goodbye Google Cloud, Hello Digital Ocean

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Post by therealmarv »

sitepodmatt wrote: post #37
FBISurveillance wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, some GCP folks are hanging out here and it's nice to have some insights into platform internals.

Yep, pretty regularly I see "Disclaimer: I work for Google Cloud" on HN, with AWS and Azure I see a lot less, no solid metrics here. I also like I can get staff on a Google Groups for many of their products like StackDriver to share feedback and get a PM to respond eventually.

I'm sure there is some internal rule (contract/NDS) at AWS that you are not allowed to talk in any way outside of Amazon about AWS without supervision ;)
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