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Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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Re: Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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> But demand is now threatening to outstrip supply Why isn’t the price being adjusted?

It is. It's literally the continuation of that sentence: "But demand is now threatening to outstrip supply, leaving Spaniards facing steep price rises in their most prized Christmas delicacy." And in the third paragraph: "it is pushing up the price by as much as 10%" . And in the sixth: "It’s inevitable that the price in Spain is going to rise"

10% is not large, fruit prices in UK supermarkets seem to have risen by at least that this year.

Incidentally, anyone know of a project monitoring food price changes in UK for the major supermarkets?

Re: Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also are responsible for a shortage of baby milk powder and baby food from Germany, the Chinese buying all markets empty. At least that was in the news a few years ago

More like an opportunity for Europe to earn a lot of money once they manage to increase production. There's still a lot of wealth inequality, both inside countries (e.g. the UK) and in Europe itself (the former DDR is a good example).

But what if the Chinese copy your product right after you have scaled up production?

Re: Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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Besides this ham, evidently Chinese demand has been blamed for the global shortage of avocados [0] and the lack of butter in France [1]. I've personally most noticed the effect when it comes to wide-release movies, in which the heroes manage to find some reason to end up for a brief scene in China, or to use Chinese brand products -- Civil War, Transformers, and Robocop come to mind. There's also the suspicion that A…

Only 20 foreign movies are allowed into China per year. Unless part of the movie takes place in China. Lots of movies have a special cut, just for that reason.

Note that you can buy any movies you want in ripped dvd form in the street, some restaurants or some shops anywhere in China. They even sold it on my campus uni. Its common practice to go there once a week to pick up a bunch of dvds

Re: Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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We spaniards are just absolutely terrible at marketing. Every time that I see how italians have managed to convince the world to consume their produces, I feel ashamed. And when we finally manage to get recognition, we can't meet the demand because we are not set up to deal with international demand. I hope this trend continues and we find new, healthier ways to expand our economy.

As a french I’m baffled by that. Italy and France have amazing marketting (ever been to eataly?) but spanish food is way tastier.

Re: Spaniards face ham shortage as Chinese market gets taste for jamón ibérico

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We spaniards are just absolutely terrible at marketing. Every time that I see how italians have managed to convince the world to consume their produces, I feel ashamed. And when we finally manage to get recognition, we can't meet the demand because we are not set up to deal with international demand. I hope this trend continues and we find new, healthier ways to expand our economy.

I suspect a lot of that success for Italy comes from exporting Italians - and then re-exporting Italian food via New York and Chicago, the homes of pizza. For whatever reason there don't seem to have been nearly so many Iberian-Spanish immigrants, possibly they went to South America instead. Which has also been quite successful at exporting Spanish-language food..

True. In the past 2 weeks I have eaten Brazilian (not spanish, but south american), Argentine, Mexican, and Italian.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not all jamon is the same , apparently. Not, alas, to my typical Northern English palette though.

No, it's not. You're going to find it very hard to get Jamón Ibérico de Bellota outside Spain - from what I saw, they mostly export the jamón serrano. I'm pretty sure you can make the difference between the two - though, to be completely honest, it's not THAT big and I'm not sure it's worth the price difference.

You always have nice and expensive jamon iberico de bellota restaurants in France. It’s good! If you’re in Lyon there is one in les halles de bocuse

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The salient part was that it takes five acres per swine. They only have two hinds each... And they can only raise them in two areas of Spain. Seems production is pretty constrained by resources (in this case land with oak trees). That combined with 48-mo curing makes it hard to scale up. And we used to complain about almond production consuming too many resources (water) per output...

It's only a matter of time before you start seeing ham cured in the same fashion but produced in other countries. US is now starting to have local production in Virginia and Texas (it takes between 2 and 3 years for a good leg of jamón to cure properly) and China is doing the same. Spain might try to protect the trademark of "jamón ibérico" the same way that France protects Champagne but in the end, you'll be able to…

It's not a trademark, it's a designation of geographical origin. France doesn't "protect" Champagne - it's just that if you call something Champagne it has to be real Champagne - i.e. be made in Champagne, following the Champagne method. Just like Campana Mozza, Feta, etc.

It's as much for the consumer as it is for the producer. And there are rows of "Sparkling Wine according to the Champagne method" in French supermarkets, right next to the real stuff

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Worth every penny -Spanish/Portuguese Iberico ham is sensational, melts in your mouth whilst bursting with flavour. As good as the best: Japanese Tuna Sashimi, Scottish grass fed Rib Eye steak, Iclandic Cod, US CheeseBurger, Bordeaux Wine, Thai Dom Yum Goong, Indian Tandori Chicken, Chineese Peeking Duck, Berlin Curryworst, Portuguese Custard Tart, Italian Margarita Pizza, French Butter Croissants or even Mcdonald’s…

Berlin curryworst really :P?

Chinese reduced to the duck? Every province of china has an exceptional dish

Mcdonalds french fries rock though

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Worth every penny -Spanish/Portuguese Iberico ham is sensational, melts in your mouth whilst bursting with flavour. As good as the best: Japanese Tuna Sashimi, Scottish grass fed Rib Eye steak, Iclandic Cod, US CheeseBurger, Bordeaux Wine, Thai Dom Yum Goong, Indian Tandori Chicken, Chineese Peeking Duck, Berlin Curryworst, Portuguese Custard Tart, Italian Margarita Pizza, French Butter Croissants or even Mcdonald’s…

Two Spanish brothers are trying to make their own jamón in Texas. Acornseekers.com

They must be aware that will run into geographical indication protection. Similarly to Italians making cheese all over Europe, but being unable to call it Parmesan.

So in the end, they can have a product that will taste very similarly, but they will have to sell them under different name.

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