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This also illustrates the absurdity of so called "money laundering". Just moving money around between private parties is somehow a serious crime. Hint: It's not. Money laundering is just a cheat code for prosecutors to get easy points when they can't actually find real wrongdoing. The funny part is that Tethers came into being after Bitfinex was hacked, right, as a way to help them out? Sometimes we say after someone…

As you said, moving money isn’t money laundering. No prosecuter is getting a conviction from people moving money.

Nah they'll just use those laws to steal your money: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5292750.stm

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If you haven't been following along, here's why this matters: Tethers is a sole-source cryptocurrency, pegged to the US dollar. Bitfinex produces it, though they're cagey (some would say outright lying at times) about the level of involvement. The primary purpose of tethers is money laundering, even more so than cryptocurrency generally. Bitfinex was cut off from the US financial system, which makes it impossible for…

This also illustrates the absurdity of so called "money laundering". Just moving money around between private parties is somehow a serious crime. Hint: It's not. Money laundering is just a cheat code for prosecutors to get easy points when they can't actually find real wrongdoing. The funny part is that Tethers came into being after Bitfinex was hacked, right, as a way to help them out? Sometimes we say after someone…

moving money around without record-keeping to prove it wasn't criminally obtained is a serious crime.

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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Well, it is "supposedly" backed up by USD. A whole bunch of people have been questioning whether they ACTUALLY have that money, very recently, and surprise surprise, there just 'happens' to be a hack that happens right now.

Not sure if "a whole bunch of people" equates more than 5 extremely vocal people on twitter and reddit. Tether published an audit a month ago.

It was a "memo" not an "audit".

https://tether.to/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Final-Tether-Co...

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If you haven't been following along, here's why this matters: Tethers is a sole-source cryptocurrency, pegged to the US dollar. Bitfinex produces it, though they're cagey (some would say outright lying at times) about the level of involvement. The primary purpose of tethers is money laundering, even more so than cryptocurrency generally. Bitfinex was cut off from the US financial system, which makes it impossible for…

Post-script: Is this good news for Bitcoin? Oh this is great news for Bitcoin. If you don't believe Bitfinex's $600 million in liabilities are worth a copper shilling, the only option for getting your value out of Bitfinex is to swap your liability for Bitcoin, which drives up the price of Bitcoin at the margin. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this seems to be an argument for BTC/USD going up on Bitfinex -- but not…

Poloniex trades USDT for quite a few ccs

https://poloniex.com/exchange#usdt_str

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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If you haven't been following along, here's why this matters: Tethers is a sole-source cryptocurrency, pegged to the US dollar. Bitfinex produces it, though they're cagey (some would say outright lying at times) about the level of involvement. The primary purpose of tethers is money laundering, even more so than cryptocurrency generally. Bitfinex was cut off from the US financial system, which makes it impossible for…

Post-script: Is this good news for Bitcoin? Oh this is great news for Bitcoin. If you don't believe Bitfinex's $600 million in liabilities are worth a copper shilling, the only option for getting your value out of Bitfinex is to swap your liability for Bitcoin, which drives up the price of Bitcoin at the margin. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this seems to be an argument for BTC/USD going up on Bitfinex -- but not…

Oh this is great news for Bitcoin

If the price of Bitcoin has been inflated by 600 million USD that doesn't really exist, then when this unwinds it will be bad news for Bitcoin.

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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They are not fake, they have all of them. People from the US just can't access them anymore. Tether is the workaround so they can. To add to the excellent summary of patio11: The other side of the coin is that more and more exchanges are using Tether (USDT) as the only thing pegged to the FIAT world in any way (value wise), not having to deal with actual dollars and banks makes the legal side of running an exchange a…

Who gave them all that USD? Where are they keeping it? They've been shunned by their US banking partners. They've basically been printing Tethers 50m at a time. The only thing they've released which attempted to show that they actually had the USD was something they called an "audit" which explicitly said "this is not an audit" [0] on the second page. When you go to withdraw from Tethers it basically says "if you don…

I’m still wrapping my bed around the concept of Tethers, but I don’t see [1] as problematic. That’s the same way that ETFs work — they ensure value parity by guaranteeing that you can redeem blocks of them for the corresponding assets. But to ensure the ETF shares aren’t all redeemed this way, they limit it to large blocks of shares. That way, smaller investors can still sell their (smaller blocks of) ETF shares for dollars at par, since any divergence would be an arbitrage opportunity that a bigger trader can exploit.

The requirement to redeem in large blocks doesn’t change that logic, and still ensures that the smaller trades happen at par.

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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In the short run, though, arbitrage bots gonna arbitrage. Don't people who run arbitrage bots usually understand concepts like counterparty risk? Do they not realize that by moving money into Bitfinex they're potentially acquiring a large amount of assets which will end up being devalued?

It depends on the experience level of people running them. Cryptocurrencies have a good deal of enthusiasts YOLO-ing on them, as far as I can tell.

Can confirm: I created an open source TA tool[1] for crypto markets that can function as a trading bot. If only I got a penny every time someone emailed me saying they are total beginners, looking for help installing it and hooking it up to their $xx,xxx account.

[0] https://gekko.wizb.it/

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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The abstractions and tech which cryptocurrency works on is fragile in most of the same ways as the layers that came before it (credit cards/banks/etc).

Try to look at all this holistically.

How many people and resources do we dedicate on this planet to keep track of money, economy, mine the coins, cash the checks, swipe the cards, keep the lines working?

All of these abstractions make trade faster and more liquid but honestly it really feels like dimished returns in the grand scheme of things.

So many people make money by keeping track of money. So much resources. I can't even fathom it.

Bankers, store clerks, amazon servers, politicians, Dunbar, Stock markets, its crazy.

How much do we allocate to this cause, the cause of keeping track of "who owns what"?

This is not rhetorical, If I had to guess, I would guess that 70% of our resources and jobs are dedicated to this nonsense.

Just think we are mining coal out of the real ground just to mine these "valuable" ones and zeros. What the actual fuck?

It all just seems like a waste.

Use my empty clock cycles to mine and keep track of everyone's virtual coins?

I was behind folding proteins and SETI, and all the other distributed computing ideas. It felt meaningful, like I could help change the world and help raise up the human condition...

Thanks to this post, I just learned what "Tethers" are, and I have to say, I'm so fucking disappointed with this part of the industry.

One of the early promises of cryptocurrency was to "sick it to the man and governments". Now its powered largely by greed and consuming our most important resources in breakneck speeds.

I wish you all luck this this "investment", hopefully the planet will survive this next abstraction of "money".

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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If you haven't been following along, here's why this matters: Tethers is a sole-source cryptocurrency, pegged to the US dollar. Bitfinex produces it, though they're cagey (some would say outright lying at times) about the level of involvement. The primary purpose of tethers is money laundering, even more so than cryptocurrency generally. Bitfinex was cut off from the US financial system, which makes it impossible for…

This is much easier to unwind than Mt. Gox since tether is only redeemable through the tether company. Participating exchanges have to upgrade their omni/tether clients or they run the risk of accepting the unredeemable tethers for which their customers will hold them liable. Omni's design allows tether to track all the disavowed tethers so there's no risk of payout to addresses downstream of this one.

You mean until the hacker starts sending some money to known exchange addresses and tether cold storage addresses, infecting everything?

EDIT: it appears I was wrong!

Re: Tether Critical Announcement

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not fake, they have all of them. People from the US just can't access them anymore. Tether is the workaround so they can. To add to the excellent summary of patio11: The other side of the coin is that more and more exchanges are using Tether (USDT) as the only thing pegged to the FIAT world in any way (value wise), not having to deal with actual dollars and banks makes the legal side of running an exchange a…

Who gave them all that USD? Where are they keeping it? They've been shunned by their US banking partners. They've basically been printing Tethers 50m at a time. The only thing they've released which attempted to show that they actually had the USD was something they called an "audit" which explicitly said "this is not an audit" [0] on the second page. When you go to withdraw from Tethers it basically says "if you don…

> When you go to withdraw from Tethers it basically says "if you don't have more than $50k in claims, go away" [1]. Suffice it to say that most of their customers don't have that.

This is not how most people redeem tether, they go to any of a wide range of exchanges (kraken, poloniex, bittrex, etc) and trade whatever amount (from a dollar or whatever the minimum trade amount is).

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