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Re: Fedora 27 released

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jimmies wrote: post #40
DCKing wrote: post #33

I've switched to Fedora with version 26 (from Ubuntu and some dabbling with Manjaro) and really enjoy it. SELinux gave me a few headscratchers in the beginning but once you know how to deal with it it's great to have a distro that is both a great user experience and has some nice hardening/dont-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot features. The best thing for me about this release is better support for shared folders in Gnome…

I don't understand SELinux and I have not found a document that explains for the average Joe like me what it is for and why doesn't my qemu-libvirt work when it is enabled, which is the default. It took me two nights to figure out that SELinux prevents qemu-libvirt to read certain ROM files that I need. So after scratching my head, I just turned it off altogether. Other than that, Fedora has been really rock solid, g…

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Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by jacek »

hd4 wrote: post #55
jacek wrote: post #26

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Yes, it is. EDIT: And CSD works! Instructions to enable it are in a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rz_mPVwhDg (I recommend to mute sounds).

I'm guessing this doesn't apply to those who are on KDE?

KDE handles Gtk3 CSD well. I think that might work. I haven't tried it on KDE though.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by dmix »

fhood wrote: post #48
dmix wrote: post #20

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I had a similar view towards Linux at first, preferring Fedora to ArchLinux for stability. But after switching back to Arch and sticking with it I've learned stability is a matter of software choice and experience with Linux, it's not necessarily more or less stable at the OS/package manager level. Using AUR/user-style packages or non-mainline packages (beta, unstable) is always a risk in whatever distro you use and…

I cannot disagree more. 90% of the most obnoxious issues I deal with on linux are related to nasty driver incompatibilities, and you will not convince me that I should have had more experience with linux. I want my drivers to work on install. I shouldn't need a second computer and a usb drive to get my system working.

... which is why I noted the importance of using well-supported hardware, ie Thinkpad or Dell XPS which are both very well documented in the ArchLinux wiki and well supported by the community with drivers. This solved a big chunk of the issues I was experiencing.

I've found the people who attack Linux for lack of graphics/network driver support are people who haven't used it in recent years. This was a far bigger problem in the past than it is today. But if you're planning to use Linux for your desktop, with the latest software, not 2yr old distros, it's essential to purchase a laptop with Linux in mind. Much like how MacOS is limited to particular hardware, it's good to view Linux for desktop similarly.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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jadbox wrote: post #50
dualogy wrote: post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

i3 with Fedora runs flawlessly for me out of the box: dnf install i3 i3status dmenu i3lock

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Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by dualogy »

ddavis wrote: post #51
dualogy wrote: post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

I've used Arch Linux (with Gnome 3, i3, dwm, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate) for 6 years now and it has (or any of the DE's/WM's have) _never_ bugged out on me (many different laptops and desktops as well). I've only once had a destroyed installation and it was completely my fault. I would actually recommend Arch Linux as a great distribution for getting real work done. I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the…

That's fair. I know all these work for many systems and people. Maybe I have different tolerance threshold as to what constitutes "bugginess". Just happened yesterday again with latest suse and antergos on a ~3yo Thinkpad I wanted to freshen up. Just had to shout out my heartfelt props here =)

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by Spivak »

lima wrote: post #14
jacek wrote: post #6

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The big change will come with Gnome 3.28 - real fractional scaling. You can test early version of it on 3.26 [1] (experimental). [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/enable-fractional-scaling...

That's very cool. For users of older Gnome versions, note that you can change both the font scaling (text-scaling-factor) and global UI scaling factors. If you, like me, have a screen that needs 1.5 scale, you can either set UI scale to 1 and font scale to 1.5, or UI scale to 2 and font scale to 0.5. That's almost as good as real fractional UI scaling.

It's almost as good for office work but it will completely tank your graphics performance.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by sbov »

dualogy wrote: post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

Installing Fedora on my laptop with an nvidia graphics card was a frustrating experience, but I don't know if it's any better for other distros. The install process was insanely slow, but more frustratingly certain input fields would register a single keypress as anywhere from 1 to 30 keypresses.

I knew there was issues with nvidia cards, but wasn't ready for the keypress issue. I was still able to get a basic install done which let me drop to command line mode and change out the driver.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by stinkytaco »

dmix wrote: post #20
stinkytaco wrote: post #10

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Not OP, but I value stability over having the latest version. Fedora is fairly bleeding edge compared to other fixed release distributions, but also tested. Fedora is also easier to install. The older I get, the less hassle I want.

I had a similar view towards Linux at first, preferring Fedora to ArchLinux for stability. But after switching back to Arch and sticking with it I've learned stability is a matter of software choice and experience with Linux, it's not necessarily more or less stable at the OS/package manager level. Using AUR/user-style packages or non-mainline packages (beta, unstable) is always a risk in whatever distro you use and…

I have had Arch break on numerous occasions. This is especially true if I am compiling things from scratch frequently. I've had Fedora break as well, but less so and generally it's easier to find my way out since I can refer back to the release notes.

I haven't really found anything I'd want to do that I couldn't do in Fedora. It's well documented, it's close to upstream, it's got a large community and it's linux. I don't feel I have any less power from using Fedora than from using Arch. Other than the rolling release and installation process, there's not much to separate them in day to day use.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by rhodysurf »

kevinherron wrote: post #60
jadbox wrote: post #50

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i3 with Fedora runs flawlessly for me out of the box: dnf install i3 i3status dmenu i3lock

On what version of Fedora? Wayland has been enabled by default since F25 and i3wm does not work in Wayland... nor do the Nvidia drivers last I tried it...

You can still run an x session out of the box. Wayland is just the session it defaults to when you load GDM for the first time.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by nickysielicki »

epicide wrote: post #49
_ea1k wrote: post #24

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I have experimented with Arch at times, but I didn't have a great experience with the package repository. It seems like I had to go to AUR for a lot of packages that were in the default repository (or at least RPM Fusion) for Fedora.

Isn't having to go to RPM Fusion for a package effectively the same as having to go to the AUR?

No, copr[1] is to Fedora as the AUR is to Arch, and as PPAs are to Ubuntu.

RPMFusion a very longstanding and trustworthy repository for software that fedora/RedHat can't/won't distribute. Many of the RPMFusion maintainers are also maintainers for fedora packages in the official repositories. RPMFusion is of very high quality and doesn't often break . You don't really have to worry about some Joe Shmoe putting together a rpm spec that backdoors your machine, just add the RPMfusion repository and you can forget about it.

That type of attitude should not apply to things like PPAs, the AUR, and copr. Anyone can put anything up and you're trusting random people online to not bork your machine. With RPMFusion you're still trusting internet strangers, but they have a solid track record of many years and it's effectively no different from trusting the maintainers of official packages.

[1]: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/

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