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Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by briantakita »

KGIII wrote: post #6

It's really, really not easy to stand up for the rights of Nazis. If you're a Nazi, you can use voat.co as they are very free speech oriented. You don't have to be a Nazi to participate, but it's a good idea to have a thick skin if you do go there. I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. They know I'm not white and that I don't agree with them. They don't scare me. They are scared a…

> I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis.

Nazi is a term loosely used today. Actual 3rd Reich Nazis commandeered by America & the Soviet Union after WW2. Wernher von Braun was a committed Nazi & was allegedly a willing participate in WW2 war crimes. See Operation Paperclip for more info.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Operation_Paperclip

> They are scared and powerless, looking for meaning in their empty lives, easily swayed, and not entirely unaware of some of the ironies.

White Nationalism is the natural response to Identity Politics. In a sense, I don't blame them for not taking the high road, since Identity Politics has not been kind toward white people & the majority of white people think they are discriminated against. Btw, every racial group thinks they are discriminated against, so it seems like Identity Politics leaves nobody happy.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-am...

This leads to the real problem being Identity Politics. White Nationalism, Black Power, La Raza, various Jewish groups, etc. are all entities that create dissonance in the communities of America. Whether the members have valid points or not, there is a sense of tribalism & the inherent backlash.

While it's healthy to promote heritage, legacy, & the positive aspects of a cultural identity; Identity Politics sows division by redistributing opportunity (which is unfair from a merit standpoint) & transferring wealth via government policy.

If we are to have a society based on hard work leading to just reward, where opportunity is given to all, then Identity Politics has no place in it. Even if Identity Politics were to balance opportunity, the underlying issues within communities are not addressed. Instead, the government manages opportunity leading to a culture of entitlement, laziness, dispute, grudges, & group hostility.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by spamizbad »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8

Hmm. This is going to be interesting. I mean, nearly everyone should be fine with banning Nazis. After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell... The problem is: where will the line be drawn? What about Black Lives Matter? The more, uh, militant parts of the Antifa movement? Militant animal rights groups (which actually are treated as domestic terroris…

Black Lives Matter is very specifically an anti-violence organization. The Root has an article debunking the idea they're somehow comparable: http://www.theroot.com/for-white-people-who-compare-black-li...

Nevertheless, the end of the day, privately owned websites on the Internet are not "free speech zones". Each site sets their own rules. There are numerous sites out there where Nazis are welcome (Voat, Gab, the various chans), all available completely free and readily accessible to the public.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by LARGEGALAXY »

keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

LOL at this NONSENSE. BLM is a terrorist organization as any other, it has absolutely nothing to do with obtaining equal treatment; it is an organization fueled by the hatred of white people, a mechanism in which the African-American blames his own deficiencies on some supposed "oppression" that does not actually exist. Racial differences are not pseudoscience, anyway. Median IQ Africa = 70. Median IQ N. Europe = 100+. Let me guess, "b-b-but the environment, b-b-but culture!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKsIG1zYHRc&t=0m21s

Antifa is not even worth wasting my breath on.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by amigoingtodie »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #45
michaelchisari wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a better way to deal with the mentally ill and disenfranchised Enabling them is not a good way to deal with them. Allowing easily discoverable safe spaces with which to reinforce their neuroses and paranoia only adds to the problem as new users can more easily be recruited, preyed upon, etc. This goes for much more than just violent white supremacists, it also applies to things like pro-ana, which creates an…

The effect your are talking about seems legit. The flip side about that is if you force these groups out of the public and then into the shadows, that's only proving the paranoia. Does that radicalize things even more? The same kind of viewpoints existed in the mid 90s, underground, and that lead to OKC which was one of the worst terrorist incidents in US history. Is it better or worse that this is happening in publi…

It is worse.

Before it took a bit of effort to work in the shadows, but technology has facilitated a disproportionatly loud 'voice' with little effort.

It would be considered crazy to even have this conversation a decade ago.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by Moral_ »

hberg wrote: post #2

There goes /r/The_Donald/

The Donald is probably part of the Russian probe. Reddit received an NSL earlier this year, I assume it was in regards to that subreddit. The NSL/Warrant probably had them keep it up and keep their mouths shut about it. That's probably why it's still around while still breaking tons of rules.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by KGIII »

michaelchisari wrote: post #44
KGIII wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue they have no moral obligation to do any such thing. However, they should probably make a pretty clear warning sign. I fear we will digress too far. In short, I'm very pro freedom of expression. I'm glad voat exists, for example. The people there are often horrible, that is true. But, they still deserve to express themselves freely.

I don't understand why anyone deserves server space and labor resources. They are free to express themselves, but the cost of running a service is not free, and they have no right to those costs. They can stand in a public square and say what they like. They can have debates in their own living room. They can print up manifestos on their own dime. They have a right to do all of that, and nobody's arguing against that…

It's a bit of a problem, really. They take URLs away, they refuse to host them, etc...

So, I'd say what good are rights if you can't reasonably exercise them?

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like Nazis. They are pretty much the definition of bad people.

So, I try to empathize. We all want to belong to something. They like firearms. Me too. I love a good explosion, though I'd much prefer it not actually hurt anyone.

If I can humanize them, I can understand that they too deserve basic human rights.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by rodgerd »

wccrawford wrote: post #56
keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

Of course people are going to question your definitions when you've gone overboard in making one absolutely wrong and the others absolutely right. There's bad in both sets, which is why banning 1 group could have an effect on the other 2, eventually.

Really? You think that Nazis are unfairly characterised? That's the hill you want to die on?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by jquery »

_euac wrote: post #15
tripplethrendo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s

Maybe, just maybe, it's because the "far left" subreddit doesn't have content calling for ethnic cleansing? Just saying.

No, they want to cleanse the bourgeoisie, they're very multi-ethnic in their genocides. And not all of the far left is colorblind, we generally consider people who want to ethnically cleanse white people as far left.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by parent5446 »

keepper wrote: post #27

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

It's not a matter of them being equal. It's whether they are categorized under the new policy and will eventually be banned or not. There's no need to have this false dichotomy where one side must be good and one must be bad. It's possible for both sides to be bad, and it's also possible for one side to be more bad than the other.

In the end, my personal opinion is that any form of inciting violence against civilians should be banned, regardless of what your cause is and how much more "in the right" you are than Nazis on a relative scale, which is a pretty low bar.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by michaelchisari »

KGIII wrote: post #66
michaelchisari wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why anyone deserves server space and labor resources. They are free to express themselves, but the cost of running a service is not free, and they have no right to those costs. They can stand in a public square and say what they like. They can have debates in their own living room. They can print up manifestos on their own dime. They have a right to do all of that, and nobody's arguing against that…

It's a bit of a problem, really. They take URLs away, they refuse to host them, etc... So, I'd say what good are rights if you can't reasonably exercise them? Don't get me wrong, I really don't like Nazis. They are pretty much the definition of bad people. So, I try to empathize. We all want to belong to something. They like firearms. Me too. I love a good explosion, though I'd much prefer it not actually hurt anyone…

Reddit is not a basic human right.

You have a right to free speech, but society has no obligation to provide you a megaphone and a soapbox.

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