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Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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Post by southphillyman »

abiox wrote: post #45
IanDrake wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know why you got down voted. That’s what Tesla should have done if they haven’t documented any performance problems. What they did is basically slander with real economic consequences to those fired and they should sue. Being fired with cause impacts their ability to collect unemployment, which most these people deserve. It also puts a bad mark on their employment history, unless they lie about how they where…

> Being fired with cause impacts their ability to collect unemployment, which most these people deserve. afaik, performance doesn't impact your benefits in the US, unless it's tied to 'willful misconduct'. if you're (for example) simply incompetent, but honest and good-intentioned, it's entirely the employer's fault for improperly filling the position per their own requirements.

In the U.S is it legal for companies to disclose how former employees were let go (laid off vs. fired). I imagine they just give dates. Otherwise how would fired employees ever gain future employment in competitive fields.

Re: Tesla's mass firings spread to SolarCity

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Post by ctdonath »

montyboy_us wrote: post #21

SpaceX, Tesla, and SolarCity: ponzi schemes that have a little tech behind them and pull on our heartstrings.

Ponzi schemes don't produce major technological advancement.

SpaceX made reusable rockets a thing.

Tesla made great cars with bleeding-edge EV technology.

SolarCity made "solar roof" a viable & aesthetic product.

All three are still thriving on a lot of tech advancement.

Long-term success remains to be seen in three very difficult industries, but current performance is certainly not the facades of Ponzi schemes.

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Post by ctdonath »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #42
adamsea wrote: post #35

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The ends justify the means, eh?

Sometimes, indeed yes. Not always. If you want to live in a black and white world go ahead. Best of luck to you. In any case, as I said, I am torn. That is why I advise that anyone that works for them be dedicated to the cause. Because while a lot of startups and the like profess to "change the world" Elon Musk's enterprises ARE changing the world to the kind of world I want to live in. Sometime visions need sacrific…

Which cause?

Employees are free to convert their paycheck into stocks. The better they (as a whole) do, the more profit each gets.

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Post by fallingfrog »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #16

I am pretty pro-union. However, in the case of Musk's enterprises, where there is this larger goal that is finally seeming to become possible, I am torn. I feel that anyone that works at these places should know and be a zealot for the Cause...but I suppose that Elon Musk probably should share his stakes with them a bit more, in that case. edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to…

How dare you try to introduce subtlety and nuance to our inflexible, ideological worldviews!

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Post by moduspol »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #36

1,200 of 33,000 employees amounts to 3.6% of the work force. This level of action, 1 in 25 employees, gives managers an opportunity to release employees that looked good in the interview but did not meet expectations. Whether Tesla conducted this in a proper manner is open to debate and perhaps details will emerge if/when any former employees pursue Tesla in court. But any company needs to address the inevitable hiri…

Indeed. Calling 3.6% a "mass firing" to me looks like pushing a narrative.

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Post by twoquestions »

wbl wrote: post #31
jmcgough wrote: post #14

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Tesla has been waging an internal war against union formation, so wouldn't surprise me if they were firing people they saw as pushing unionization.

That's a surefire way to get hauled up before the NLRB. I'm not surprised companies try it, but they usually get sued for it.

NLRB still exists? I honestly thought the new administration got rid of that.

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Post by leggomylibro »

Cacti wrote: post #57
seibelj wrote: post #15

Couldn't Tesla / SolarCity just said, "Hey, company didn't do well, sorry, here's 2 weeks severance"? Why do this whole "bad performance review" nonsense.

That’s a great way to get sued. The point of performance reviews is to standardize rankings so that you can use them later to fire/promote without being sued for discrimination.

Isn't there a set procedure for companies to report performance (of the company's finances, not individual employeess)-based layoffs like this to the Feds?

What are they going to do, say "no, you owe these people jobs, go take out a loan?" Well, maybe if the company can't demonstrate that they actually need to drop so many people, but this sort of seems like they're being lazy and cheap, at best.

Y'know, it's starting to really seem like the market simply is not willing to accept how expensive things are.

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Post by brewdad »

sjg007 wrote: post #53
MikeTheGreat wrote: post #6

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I remember a while back some .com company laid off a bunch of their employees (more than 40%? 50%?). Firing that many people at once triggered a set of 'lay off' laws, which required certain behavior from the company (such as giving the employees X days notice, etc, etc). This is pure speculation, but I wonder if Telsa is trying to do last-minute layoffs while avoiding whatever 'lay off laws' there are by claiming th…

The Department of Labor usually investigates these things.

This is not your father's Department of Labor. I see little chance that any enforcement will happen.

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #16

I am pretty pro-union. However, in the case of Musk's enterprises, where there is this larger goal that is finally seeming to become possible, I am torn. I feel that anyone that works at these places should know and be a zealot for the Cause...but I suppose that Elon Musk probably should share his stakes with them a bit more, in that case. edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to…

> edit: I believe workers should be treated fairly, but I also want us to go to Mars. If 1 prevented 2, I would be torn. Why should this earn a negative vote?

I assume because this same argument, if you took it to ridiculous extremes, could be used to justify a whole range of terrible shit. Watch:

"I believe workers should not be enslaved, but I also want us to go to Mars. If 1 prevented 2, I would be torn."

"I believe Musk should not torture underperforming workers, but I also want us to go to Mars. If 1 prevented 2, I would be torn."

I don't think you are actually willing to torture or enslave people so that humanity can get to Mars, but the way you constructed your argument leads in that direction, which is probably why it's being met with resistance.

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