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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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A few notes: - this is the first release supporting Surface devices out of the box (due the recent `linux-firmware` package) - people using PPA may have some troubles, since without tweaking, PPAs with obsolete keys are rejected - ack grep is not included (yet?), due to build issues with perl

The surface support sounds interesting. Has anyone here tried that?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

#62

A few notes: - this is the first release supporting Surface devices out of the box (due the recent `linux-firmware` package) - people using PPA may have some troubles, since without tweaking, PPAs with obsolete keys are rejected - ack grep is not included (yet?), due to build issues with perl

Just use ag (the-silver-searcher) or ripgrep in lieu of ack.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved. You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works. Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

Small but important nitpick: Wayland is not a desktop, it's a set of protocols for GUI compositing. "Plasma on Wayland" or "Gnome on Wayland" or Sway or Weston is.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Hang on did they drop Mir?

You've had both yes and no answers.

The answer is no.

Mir 0.28 landed just in time for 17.10, as a sibling linked. This version includes basic Wayland support.

A read over Mir/Spec [0] shows that though they don't want Wayland to be at the core of Mir, they want to be able to talk and integrate with it at a higher level.

It should be noted that Mir is only installed by default on Ubuntu Touch, and probably won't be integrated into the desktop by default until Unity8 is ready.

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpe...

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

#65

Unrelated but how does one forward apps over SSH with Wayland?

I'm going to guess over X11 with Xwayland. Or does anyone else have any better solution?

gnome-remote-desktop for Gnome on Fedora, it uses Wayland's API and VNC, so it works fairly well.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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post #62

A few notes: - this is the first release supporting Surface devices out of the box (due the recent `linux-firmware` package) - people using PPA may have some troubles, since without tweaking, PPAs with obsolete keys are rejected - ack grep is not included (yet?), due to build issues with perl

Just use ag (the-silver-searcher) or ripgrep in lieu of ack.

+1 for rg, it's amazing

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention HiDPI problems and serious issues with the proprietary nvidia driver. The situation is improving all the time though and hopefully this should mark the beginning of some good times for Wayland. More choice is always a good thing. Of course, the option is right there on the login screen to start an X session instead, if Wayland doesn't work for you.

I recommend everybody intending to run Linux to avoid nvidia GPUs. The experience with amd and intel GPUs is vastly superior.

I use nothing but Nvidia on Linux. Their performance and stability is greatly superior to AMD on high-end 3D applications such as Maya. I'll admit, I have not revisited AMD cards in a while, so perhaps I'm out of touch with the current generation. I also do not consider the open source nouveau driver to be acceptable. I've had too many problems with it in 3D apps.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop.

The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity.

On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen.

GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager.

The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal 7.

Window control buttons are back on the right for the first time since 2010.

Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6.

The Ubuntu GNOME flavor has been discontinued. If you are using Ubuntu GNOME, you will be upgraded to Ubuntu. Choose the Ubuntu session from the cog on the login screen if you would like the default Ubuntu experience.

Additionally, there are quite a few "Known issues" for Desktop that made me dare not to upgrade. I will stay with 16.04 and wait for 18.04 then.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Unrelated but how does one forward apps over SSH with Wayland?

I'm going to guess over X11 with Xwayland. Or does anyone else have any better solution?

That only shows you X11 windows. Xwayland has no idea about the content of native Wayland windows (i.e. at least all applications that use Qt5 or GTK3). The most likely solution IMO is a VNC server.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Oh! thanks for the comment about screenshot. I was thinking on upgrading to 17.10 (still on 14.04) and one of my most handy app is Shutter. Looks like it doesn't work on wayland - https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1502263

You can still use X11 on 17.10, just select it on the login screen :)
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