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Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by paxys »

true_religion wrote: post #60
bhrgunatha wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, the symbols are SVG but not rest of the text.

They're using SVG because support for these non-standard punctuation varies across browsers and OS's, so its safest to use an image. Many sites presenting informational content about unicode content do the same, as they cannot presume the user will see the unicode symbols rendered natively in their browser.

We're talking about all of the regular text on the site, not those dozen symbols.

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by CalChris »

metaphor wrote: post #58

On a congruent note, California flops on compulsory English[1], the expressive void of the interwebs yawns at over a thousand emoji code points[2], and people actually think it's a great idea to champion patented punctuation marks[3] in everyday grammar. Can this guy[4] even spell his name yet? [1] https://outline.com/Gea52v [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji [3] https://www.google.com/patents/USD608820 [4] http…

Just to be clear, that patent is a Design Patent, 15 years. It’s the first time I have ever seen a Design Patent mentioned in the wild. So the only remaining item on my IP punch list is a plant patent. As much as I admire Luther Burbank, asexually reproduced plants didn't need their own category.

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by nayuki »

paxys wrote: post #30

I occasionally use interrobang (?! - not sure if there is a unicode character), but the rest seem quite useless. Also, this site doesn't let you copy text...WTF developers?

The page somehow disables text selection. (Couldn't figure it out from briefly looking at the DOM inspector.) This behavior is rather annoying and unnecessary, as I was trying to quote some pieces of text to share.

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by yorwba »

metaphor wrote: post #58

On a congruent note, California flops on compulsory English[1], the expressive void of the interwebs yawns at over a thousand emoji code points[2], and people actually think it's a great idea to champion patented punctuation marks[3] in everyday grammar. Can this guy[4] even spell his name yet? [1] https://outline.com/Gea52v [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji [3] https://www.google.com/patents/USD608820 [4] http…

[4] was interesting to read, but he doesn't actually show how his name should be written and what it looks like instead. So I'm left to wonder whether it's like the example of ত (Bengali letter ta), ্ (Bengali sign virama) and ‍(zero width joiner) combining to yield ৎ (Bengali letter khanda ta). That shouldn't be a problem for end users, if keyboards and rendering engines correctly implement the Unicode standard. That is no different than other combining marks required e.g. for accented letters in Latin alphabets. (In this case, the committee apparently determined that khanda ta was different enough to warrant it's own encoding.) I don't think Unicode needs to deal with the question of how the standardized characters will be entered. (Emoji input isn't standardized either.)

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by alphaalpha101 »

leichtgewicht wrote: post #11
justhackedme wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not real. It's a joke.

Real or not the Sarcmarc would help sooo much.

Oh yeah sure, marking sarcasm as sarcasm totally doesn't defeat the whole point of sarcasm or anything

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by _nalply »

It seems people want a way to express emotion in something like a side-channel. Interpunction is fine for that, however we can't pronounce interpunction by itself and second interpunction can be placed only at specific points in the sentence (usually at the end). Emoji can be placed everywhere, however emojis can't be spoken out loud.

Lojban, a constructed language, has a very interesting feature: attitudinals: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban/Attitudinals

An example from Wikipedia:

mlatu .ui (a cat! yay!)

English has also attitudinals however they belong to informal speech.

Re: A collection of non-standard punctuation marks

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Post by Freak_NL »

grogenaut wrote: post #45
bhrgunatha wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is ‽ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang > this site doesn't let you copy text Being generous here, presumably people still pull this kind of ridiculous crap to prevent uninformed users from "stealing" their IP. I guess they must be smart enough to know that if it's rendering as text, anyone can access and copy it.

They're using SVG

They have purposely disabled being able to select text (outside of the SVG graphics) by literally doing this in CSS:

    * {
        user-select: none;
    }
The user-select: none; is intended for places where interaction with an element (e.g., drag and drop, clicking, sliding) is required and text selection should not occur. You might use it discretely on a HTML button.

Blanket banning of text selection is a habit I've seen with developers who live in a touchscreen-heavy bubble, and who feel that users have no reason to select text at all unless explicitly enabled by the developer.

> As citizens of the technology era, there is an undeniable need for optimal clarity in our writing.

There, I copied that quote from their website (by disabling the relevant CSS); one example of a totally valid reason for wanting to select text.

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