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Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by tigershark »

parent5446 wrote: post #60
tigershark wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then if safety is really the concern why taxis and cabs can operate given that they are way less safe than uber? I would rather use the safer option, but instead I'm forced to use the less safe options.

Are you saying Uber is the safer option? Did you miss the part where they are violating the safety regulations, and where cab companies are not?

In the other thread were posted the offences done by taxi drivers and were far more than the ones committed by uber drivers. Considering that you can easily report the behaviour of a Uber driver I can believe it.

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by parent5446 »

tigershark wrote: post #61
parent5446 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying Uber is the safer option? Did you miss the part where they are violating the safety regulations, and where cab companies are not?

In the other thread were posted the offences done by taxi drivers and were far more than the ones committed by uber drivers. Considering that you can easily report the behaviour of a Uber driver I can believe it.

Do you have any data to back that up? If it's so easy to report Uber drivers, where's Uber's statement showing the data it has collected regarding its supposed lower offense rates? Why hasn't the London government taken into account this data? Or is the best evidence available random anecdotes?

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by majewsky »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #50
detaro wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

parent post sounds like sarcasm to me.

If so, my bad that I didn't get it. In any case it was not very sarcastically phrased. And given the bullshit people believe nowadays such things really need to be called out.

I have to agree that the sarcasm was really hard to figure out in this one. I didn't see it either.

In any case, next time this happens, I recommend that you just respond with the classic, "[citation needed]".

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by zimpenfish »

tigershark wrote: post #61
parent5446 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying Uber is the safer option? Did you miss the part where they are violating the safety regulations, and where cab companies are not?

In the other thread were posted the offences done by taxi drivers and were far more than the ones committed by uber drivers. Considering that you can easily report the behaviour of a Uber driver I can believe it.

> Considering that you can easily report the behaviour of a Uber driver I can believe it.

Reporting an Uber driver doesn't necessarily mean any action is taken.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/2017/understanding-uber-... has a story about a driver committing a sexual assault, being reported to Uber who didn't report it to the police -or- fire him, and he went on to commit another which Uber -also- didn't report to the police.

> In total, Uber had failed to report six sexual assaults, two public order offences and one assault to the police. This had lead to delays of up to 7 months before they were investigated.

This is why MetPol are arguing strongly against licensing Uber.

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by zimpenfish »

Grue3 wrote: post #55
mmel wrote: post #23

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Why does 'the symbol' matter more than Uber's continual disregard for law and regulation around the world?

>disregard for law and regulation around the world The same laws and regulations that just so happen to keep disadvantaged populations from moving up the social strata. How convenient. Uber might suck, but the regulations that deny poor people access to transport are much worse.

Please don't try and use "poor people need Uber for jobs" when it's well known that one of Uber's goals is elimination of those human drivers to drive costs down. They are nothing more than a pawn in this game (and they deserve better.)

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by [deleted] »

Grue3 wrote: post #55
mmel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does 'the symbol' matter more than Uber's continual disregard for law and regulation around the world?

>disregard for law and regulation around the world The same laws and regulations that just so happen to keep disadvantaged populations from moving up the social strata. How convenient. Uber might suck, but the regulations that deny poor people access to transport are much worse.

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Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by zimpenfish »

synicalx wrote: post #45
d--b wrote: post #16

Of course, Uber needed to be reigned in, but what matters is the symbol here. Black cabs are fairly expensive and mostly driven by white people (which is not the case for private hire vehicles: http://content.tfl.gov.uk/taxi-and-phv-demographic-stats.pdf ) People won't help feeling that this is a "Let's keep our good old ways and our white boys happy" move. The article is right in saying that this general cultural sh…

> Black cabs are fairly expensive and mostly driven by white people Why is the colour of their drivers a problem? Are you suggesting there's something preventing people who aren't white from driving a cab?

Given that it takes two plus years of extensive study to be able to pass The Knowledge (and many take longer) plus you need a certified vehicle which are around £40,000 minimum, yeah, there's a whole lot of spare time and access to money preventing disadvantaged people from driving a black cab in London.

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by Grue3 »

zimpenfish wrote: post #65
Grue3 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>disregard for law and regulation around the world The same laws and regulations that just so happen to keep disadvantaged populations from moving up the social strata. How convenient. Uber might suck, but the regulations that deny poor people access to transport are much worse.

Please don't try and use "poor people need Uber for jobs" when it's well known that one of Uber's goals is elimination of those human drivers to drive costs down. They are nothing more than a pawn in this game (and they deserve better.)

I thought I was pretty clear that I'm not talking about Uber drivers, but Uber passengers. It's clear that this job will cease to exist at some point. However the need to commute will always be relevant. Consider that the same organizations that lobby against Uber today would lobby twice as hard against self-driving taxis. And it's not because they're "unsafe".

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by synicalx »

zimpenfish wrote: post #67
synicalx wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Black cabs are fairly expensive and mostly driven by white people Why is the colour of their drivers a problem? Are you suggesting there's something preventing people who aren't white from driving a cab?

Given that it takes two plus years of extensive study to be able to pass The Knowledge (and many take longer) plus you need a certified vehicle which are around £40,000 minimum, yeah, there's a whole lot of spare time and access to money preventing disadvantaged people from driving a black cab in London.

What's your point? High standards are... racist? Classist?

Re: London's Uber Ban Is a Big Brexit Mistake

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Post by zimpenfish »

synicalx wrote: post #69
zimpenfish wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it takes two plus years of extensive study to be able to pass The Knowledge (and many take longer) plus you need a certified vehicle which are around £40,000 minimum, yeah, there's a whole lot of spare time and access to money preventing disadvantaged people from driving a black cab in London.

What's your point? High standards are... racist? Classist?

High standards -which require a lot of cash outlay and a lot of spare time- by necessity exclude a large portion of the population, especially those who are already disadvantaged.
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