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Startup wants to build tools for lawyers to speed up legal services

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

Ok, we reworded the title above using language from your comment.

Re: Startup wants to build tools for lawyers to speed up legal services

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

I just had an incredibly similar thing happen with a slightly misleading headline. My legal tech company[1] was in the WSJ[2] on Monday, and the byline was "A nonprofit has developed an online program designed to help people prepare a chapter 7 filing without a lawyer"... which isn't quite what we are doing. We are actually licensing a product to legal aid clinics that do bankruptcy. The process is actually: legal aid clinic directs people to our software, we guide them through an interview, then we populate a PDF bankruptcy petition that we send directly to the clinic for a final review. So, while we have largely removed lawyer time from the process, we deemed that final review essential. The article did explain this by the end, but the headline got some communities pretty alarmed.

[1] https://upsolve.org

[2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-struggling-consumers-a-chea...

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> As anyone who has racked up legal fees due to lawyers’ mounting billable hours can attest, law firms remain almost surprisingly low-tech operations. That’s like saying programming remains surprisingly low tech because you walk into a tech company and everyone is hunched over an emacs window. Even at the fanciest Wall Street law firms, 10-20% of billed time is written off. The largest clients who get sued a lot are…

Rayiner, Whenever someone on HN talks about bringing tech to law firms I inevitably hear they are opposed to improving their process. It would lead to less billable hours for the firm. Is this true? Not specifically talking about the top firms but firms in general.

This was the same way with managed IT services 10 years ago. Most companies now are not billing based on time, but based on the value of the services they provide. Changes started with smaller companies first.

Smaller law firms will handle some things on flat fee now, bankruptcy, DUI, and other transactional issues. It is going to continue to increase when appropriate.

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

I don't mean to pile on but I'd be interested as a lawyer dabbling in tech. In the last two years I co-founded startup with a patent pending legal pricing software called Statutory Litigation Automated Pricing, S.L.A.P. (acquired) and this past year I built a prototype "self-serve legal kiosk" and kiosk software Demoed at Walmart HQ for use in their stores with The Law Store (thelawstore.com)

I don't think that makes me an engineer but I am handy at applying existing technologies to the legal field to improve efficency.

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

How do you tend to compete with the likes of established players such as westlaw that have been around for so long? I can possibly imagine a startup which helps big company lawyers, as they tend to be more bullish on new tech, but when it comes to the legal industry I don't know.

It's not that I don't believe you guys have a fighting chance at having an impact in the legal technology space, the problem is that the legal industries is one of the slowest moving around, and silicon valley funding culture requires fast results.

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> As anyone who has racked up legal fees due to lawyers’ mounting billable hours can attest, law firms remain almost surprisingly low-tech operations. That’s like saying programming remains surprisingly low tech because you walk into a tech company and everyone is hunched over an emacs window. Even at the fanciest Wall Street law firms, 10-20% of billed time is written off. The largest clients who get sued a lot are…

Rayiner, Whenever someone on HN talks about bringing tech to law firms I inevitably hear they are opposed to improving their process. It would lead to less billable hours for the firm. Is this true? Not specifically talking about the top firms but firms in general.

Clients are wise enough these days that they just care about the bottom line. They want to know: how much will this case that’s in discovery cost me this quarter (and can you help me justify it to my boss)? Often you give a realistic number and the client pushes back, which is how you end up with 10-20% of time being written off. This is true at every level of firm.

Within this framework, lawyers have an incentive to be efficient. If you cut your hours so you write off 10% instead of 20%, you’ve freed up hours you could spend on new billable work. If you enter into a flat fee arrangement (which in various permutations are very common), the only way you come out ahead if by harnessing efficiencies. I think most law firm managers are numerate enough to realize these things by now.

The challenges to adoption are risk. Law firms can’t push back the release date because the software isn’t ready. That makes them very conservative about changing their processes. Cost-benefit is also an issue. Even the largest law firms are relatively small companies. All major business decisions are made by lawyers, and not even the managing partner works more than part time on administration. They don’t have the bandwidth to implement software X that majorly improves some specific process Y. For the effort to be worth it technology has to deliver cross-cutting improvements.

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

Are you planning on building in house AI/ML or do you plan on licensing from existing players in the space?

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Headline is a little misleading. We started LTS, our legal tech company, with the goal of helping lawyers provide legal services to startups in a more speedy, transparent and price predicable way. To us, that means building tools that lawyers use, and not creating the Uber of lawyers or a master AI that replaces lawyers (I don't think the latter is possible right now). Atrium, the law firm founded by two of my LTS co…

I'm a software developer (mostly focused on operations and marketing) on a small, two-person team at a large, national plaintiff's firm.

Thanks for clarifying -- the headline was very clickbait and disingenuous -- so much so that I had a strong reaction to it.

I think your plan is a good one because you have a small group of clients with similar needs to focus on and they have certain expectations about the tech they interact with. Good luck!

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