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What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Imho i would guess it is more a markets thing than a racial thing. There probably wasn't a whole lot of money to be made in curing an epidemic to a poor minority in the 80s whereas the opioid crisis is hitting a larger middle class population

It wasn't a "markets thing". Crack hit black communities. Then, black leaders within those communities responded by passing tough laws.

And the majority could just as easily have done the right thing and refused to pass the laws, while lending a helping hand and attempting to preserve these communities.

You're going through this thread and blaming victims for their misfortune. It is, to say the least, unedifying.

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Imho i would guess it is more a markets thing than a racial thing. There probably wasn't a whole lot of money to be made in curing an epidemic to a poor minority in the 80s whereas the opioid crisis is hitting a larger middle class population

That doesn't make it any better. It's also not a simple A/B. Maybe society had to drag it through the aforementioned stages to reach a point of consciousness. I don't really buy that though. Honestly, I think the problem is simply being on opioids for a week due to post surgery pain or similar is enough to hook people. My write in ballot would include various forms of legalization and treatment. I've heard DMT can ma…

Iboga can help people quit heroin overnight. And Kratom is a great 'maintenance therapy'

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That's not helpful at all. Yes, addiction is "filling" "something" "broken". Now what?

It is extremely helpful. It is very incovenient, to be sure, but it is very helpful. If you want people to not use drugs, then you have to provide them with a fulfilling life or the opportunity for such. If your desire is to operate a society that grinds people down, restricts them in ways that feel burdensome to them, insults them, and also does not have people using drugs? You might as well wish to fly. Because you…

Never mind people who get addicted after being prescribed medication for an injury, then? Never mind that the new generations of opioids were marketed as safer/less addicting when they probably were more addicting, and thus prescribed even more out of perception of their safety?

Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Great article, but if your loved one has an opioid addiction and wants to quit without suffering the devastating withdrawal, I would strongly recommend investigating kratom. It is a non-opiate tree which grows primarily in Thailand and similar regions. It contains an alkaloid called mitragynine. This alkaloid is a selective opioid receptor agonist. Specifically, research shows that it is an agonist to several opioid…

Thank you for your detailed and educating post. I came into the comments here after Ctrl+F "kratom" on the article and finding no results. Kratom is life saving for opioid/opiate addictions, but as well as for chronic pain. My wife has been in constant chronic pain for the past few years, to the point of mostly being bedridden the entire day and not working. But doctors haven't found anything wrong with her. Perhaps…

I am very lucky myself, as I have mostly watched kratoms story from the sidelines. I've never had an opiate addiction and I don't have any chronic pain or anything like that. I tried it originally just out of curiosity after reading some of the research, and still occasionally use it in small doses for the energizing effect. I don't find larger doses useful to me personally. But I've encountered many people that have had their lives saved due to kratom, and witnessing the way some politicians and authoritarians just so rabidly pursue anything because it's LIKE something else is disturbing. Milk has opioid receptor agonists in it. And we give milk to babies. The opioid receptors in our brains are not there as some sort of evolutionary boobytrap to enslave us to poppy plants. And there are a variety of different receptors to boot, with them not being equal.

I often do not mention kratom in public forums intentionally. It's odd. I do not hold my tongue about hardly anything, I am very talkative. But I am always afraid that one message about kratom will get read by a busybody with an axe to grind and they'll spearhead a movement to have it banned. I am glad to have seen the multiple places around the country where states tried to ban it but were met with both doctors and police stepping up and telling them "this is not a problem. Stop trying to make it one for your own aggrandizement."

But when I come across someone who deals with addicts, I always try to explain it as best I can.

Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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Now that the opioid crisis is a problem for white people, science makes an appearance in the policy discussion. Contrast to the crack epidemic in the 80s: fuck'em, throw them all in prison. Edit to add: I wish the best of luck to those who have been caught up in this crisis: I'm rooting for you, and I hope every last one of you find the treatment you need. For those of us who aren't affected, it's time for some deep…

I would agree about it being racism, more like classism.

Re: What Science Says to Do If Your Loved One Has an Opioid Addiction

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I'm not saying you're wrong. But turning this into a platform for calling out racial inequality is probably just asking for backlash. Yes, in the future we can apply science more equally to all regardless of race. Yes, we failed in this area in the past. But does that somehow invalidate science, or this research? No.

I think we will find that suburban white folk are backlash-proof. And a good thing too, because they need all the help they can get. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to feel regret for society's past (and indeed ongoing) failures.

>That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to feel regret for society's past (and indeed ongoing) failures.

Agreed. And there is no reconciliation for the damage that has been done (and continues to be done). Politicians don't take this seriously enough. It won't be enough just to reform drug policy. It won't be enough just to free people who were wronged by the system. It's going to take society changing heart and supporting people who have been hurt for years. And the people who were hurt trusting a society that threw them and their family away...

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post #43

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Y'all realize that black legislators and community organizers pushed for and voted for those "racist" crack sentences? They were trying to save their own communities. Edit: for the uninformed down voters: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...

Have you heard the theory that racism might be institutionalized?

So what you're saying is that black people can't be trusted to have their own opinions because of institutional racism? Words fail.

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post #43

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Y'all realize that black legislators and community organizers pushed for and voted for those "racist" crack sentences? They were trying to save their own communities. Edit: for the uninformed down voters: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...

Have you heard the theory that racism might be institutionalized?

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