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The Myth of the Objective

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Re: The Myth of the Objective

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So how do you know whether you're always improving if you don't measure your performance at consistent points along the way? Just ask everyone if it felt like you improved, followed by a group hug and mutual back-patting?

I dont think he said to eliminate the measurements, he said to eliminate the quotas.

"Watch, don't judge, but do watch"

Re: The Myth of the Objective

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Think about Zuckerburg's wealth. If he had sat in his dorm with the goal of building a multi-billion dollar empire, do you think he would have started with "thefacebook"?

There's a considerable amount of luck in Zuck's story. Peter Thiel gave him money and he demolished Myspace somehow. I don't think he got there by daydreaming ^.^

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Re: The Myth of the Objective

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Having spent a lot of time with PicBreeder, I suspect that the "ancestors look nothing like their descendants" thing is more an artifact of how our brains interpret images, rather than implying some deeper insight into how objectives affect the process.

There are AI projects that attempt to approximate a "natural image manifold" – essentially a blob in the space of possible images where you find things that look like photographs to humans. I think the PicBreeder thing has more to do with that; the set of images that people want to create occupies a relatively confined space within the set of all possible PicBreeder outputs. So working off of any previously built image is basically a "shortcut to the manifold", if you will.

Or to put it another way: when you consider the entire space of PicBreeder outputs, any existing image is much closer to whatever you want to make than starting from scratch.

Re: The Myth of the Objective

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Profound indeed, and very similar in principle to the Toyota Production System / Lean Manufacturing. It’s too bad these methodologies aren’t more prevalent in corporate culture. Imperative Command & Control methods always seems to dominate.

Similar perhaps because he inspired them. :-)

Well, that explains that!

I really should’ve known that already :)

Re: The Myth of the Objective

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do you know whether you're always improving if you don't measure your performance at consistent points along the way? Just ask everyone if it felt like you improved, followed by a group hug and mutual back-patting?

I dont think he said to eliminate the measurements, he said to eliminate the quotas.

An important distinction. Thanks! And absolutely right, if the objective is to "do X" then you're setting yourself up for a plateau and for resentment every time you try to move that plateau. But if the objective is to "do X% better" then that's a natural exponential growth curve.
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