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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by cletus »

jamescostian wrote: post #7

In my opinion, this is how IDEs should be - make something better described as a text editor (like a fresh install of vim, sublime, or atom), and allow users to add more things to the light-weight(ish?) base. So many IDEs are overkill. Text editors with the right plugins can accomplish the same things but also be much more lightweight, and help you achieve a balance between "IDE" and "text editor"

Sorry but not only could I not disagree more but you're demonstrably incorrect.

Anyone who says a text editor "can accomplish the same things [as an IDE]" just doesn't know how to use an IDE.

The text editor vs IDE difference is the difference between using regexes and a lexer/parser to read, analyze and manipulate source code.

The amount of effort I see people put into configuring their .vimrc or .emacs files to get a subset of what you get out of the box with a decent (ie Jetbrains) IDE that at the end of the day just dosn't work as well is... staggering.

I mean text editors have their place and most notably vim/emacs work over an SSH connection. That's fine. But where possible give me IntelliJ or CLion every time.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by halfteatree »

echelon wrote: post #43
Will_Do wrote: post #37

This seems to also have the BSD + Patents beloved by Facebook[0]. The virus is spreading. [0]: https://github.com/facebook-atom/atom-ide-ui/blob/master/PAT...

What can we reasonably do to stop this? This goes against the very notion of open source.

No, it is not. If you sue people with software patent, I’m happy you lose that ability.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by aesthetics1 »

This seems aimed squarely at VSCode. VSCode does a lot of this now out of the box (or with a few extensions). I think Atom is really just trying to keep up. I personally do not believe they have the horsepower to compete with Microsoft here though. VSCode is a phenomenal product.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by yorwba »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #46
hacker_9 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's what I mean - we already have Emacs/Vim, with their million of extensions, which are always going to be faster. Outside of that we have Visual Studio, IntelliJ, PyCharm, the list goes on. All downloadable for free.

Emacs/Vim are far from being transparent. They have a very steep initial learning curve, and put off a lot of potential users as a result.

It's been years since I last used an IDE, but in my experience, they come with huge toolbars stuffed full of menus to open wizards with tons of options. The learning curve is just as steep.

Their advantage is that they provide lots of automatic features like spellcheck and autocomplete out-of-the-box, whereas you have to set these up yourself for Emacs/Vim.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by JoshTriplett »

Will_Do wrote: post #37

This seems to also have the BSD + Patents beloved by Facebook[0]. The virus is spreading. [0]: https://github.com/facebook-atom/atom-ide-ui/blob/master/PAT...

Note: Please don't use the term "BSD + Patents" for the Facebook license. There's an actual Open Source license "BSD+Patent", which is based on the well-accepted Apache 2.0 patent grant: https://opensource.org/licenses/BSDplusPatent .
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