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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by ciaranconnor »

edraferi wrote: post #14

> Native C/C++ API for high-performance audio. API function for high-performance audio including Native C/C++ audio API. I wonder if this will be good enough to close the gap with the rich music creation ecosystem on iOS.

I sure hope so.

Google has been a gold-level sponsor the last couple of years at the JUCE Summit/Audio Developer Conference with a motivation to push developers in the direction of the Android NDK. It's good they acknowledge they are behind it that regard, but there's still a fair amount of catching up to do considering there's now AUv3 on iOS and no competing standard on Android yet.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by amiga-workbench »

jampa wrote: post #36

I know this is a non-issue for many, but those emojis look really dated. Every update they get harder and harder to read in small form. One of the things I observe, mainly on Instagram Stories is only people with iOS post with emojis attached, I never see Android ones. Too bad there is no way to install custom emojis in any system (without rooting/registry tweaking), like we do with fonts.

The yellow blobs were adorable, and sidestepped all the identity politics guff associated with the more anthropomorphised styles.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by tree_of_item »

dcow wrote: post #60

Am I the only one who's really disappointed by the platform's shift in its stance on background execution? I was originally drawn to Android because it wasn't iOS. I wanted to develop on a platform where I could run a service in the background if the user wanted that. Apps that were bad stewards of battery life and phone resources were supposed to be scrutinized by users and removed if they were too poor. You can be…

Elsewhere to what? What are you gonna do, run Windows Mobile?

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by orblivion »

hansjorg wrote: post #53
zecken wrote: post #32

A lot of people complaining about using a brand name here -- isn't Kitkat (the 'K' release) also trademarked?

That was a cross promotion, this probably is as well. Google is an ad company.

Nabisco for one, Nestlé for the other, it looks like. I wonder if there's tension there.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by pjmlp »

Not on my LG and Asus devices, no sir.

And I don't believe OEMs and telecom operators will release updates even with Treble, if Google doesn't force them to do so.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by moosingin3space »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #37
klondike_ wrote: post #11

Project Treble is the most important thing in this release >The biggest change to the foundations of Android to date: a modular architecture that makes it easier and faster for hardware makers to deliver Android updates. With any luck, this will end the huge security/update problem Android has. Right now an update is dependent on the chip manufacturer's drivers, then the OEM adding them to the ROM with their custom "…

Except, of course, getting your hands on a phone that has Oreo. For instance, the Galaxy S8 is the hottest new thing on the market right now, and it launched with Nougat. It will probably be six months to a year before Samsung pushes an Oreo update to it, if at all.

Samsung actually has a decent track record of updating their software -- my family's Galaxy S5s on T-Mobile (purchased 2014) are actually still receiving security updates, despite being on Marshmallow API level.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by klondike_ »

Zee2 wrote: post #56
Karunamon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supposedly the carriers are real pains as well. I've heard horror stories of months-long approvals processes on Verizon and AT&T ROMs. It's a game I wish they'd get out of entirely. There's no such thing as a useful carrier overlay.

Honestly, even after years of following Android, I still don't understand what the carriers even do to the ROMs. It's not like it needs special proprietary software tweaks just to connect to an ordinary GSM band. And it's also not like I get any kind of visual voicemail, WiFi calling, etc baked directly into the system either. Those carrier features are usually still separate apps, anyway. Honestly, what are they doi…

Carriers generally have deals with other companies for preinstalled apps which may or may not still be active by the time it comes around for an update. Also they have to test the devices, but considering the sheer number of Android devices they probably prioritize new high end devices first.

This problem is made worse on Verizon and Sprint which use CDMA 3G networks, as opposed to the worldwide GSM standard.

Also this could be a result of marketing as well. You can get the latest Android on a new device, or you can wait an indeterminate amount of time (a few months to never) to get a free update on your old device.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by 0x00000000 »

Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it.

Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email.

Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why my browser should need to ever vibrate or use the accelerometer/gyro.

Still no good system wide ad blocking solution. (not likely, but one of the biggest things I miss from having a rooted phone)

How about those superpowers, Google? I have been an Android user since 2010 but I am quite sure my next phone will be an iPhone (with a headphone jack).

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by saghm »

jampa wrote: post #36

I know this is a non-issue for many, but those emojis look really dated. Every update they get harder and harder to read in small form. One of the things I observe, mainly on Instagram Stories is only people with iOS post with emojis attached, I never see Android ones. Too bad there is no way to install custom emojis in any system (without rooting/registry tweaking), like we do with fonts.

Personally, I find it kind of ridiculous that new emojis are considered flagship features of mobile OS updates. I'd think that it would be possible to decouple emoji updates from kernel/security updates, so I imagine that Android/iOS tie them to the OS updates solely as a way to motivate non-technical users to update.
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