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Infosys CEO Vishal Sikka Resigns

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Re: Infosys CEO Vishal Sikka Resigns

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Post by abhi152 »

dalacv wrote: post #23
abhi152 wrote: post #12

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I find it weird when people curse Indian IT companies which were once their employers. Is it not true that once upon a time you were only fit to join them because no one else would have employed you.

I worked for TCS for about 3 months. This was not my only job prospect but I didn't know any better. I negotiated a pretty good salary and it was remote work with no travel. I thought it was going to be a dream job. Then, I started to realize how inefficient certain parts of the company was. It took about 1 month for them to provision a laptop. They screwed up my payroll setup and I couldn't get them to fix it. I had…

Good that you will never go to them again. Whose mistake was it that you ended up there in the first place ?

Re: Infosys CEO Vishal Sikka Resigns

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Post by Terr_ »

abhi152 wrote: post #60
bicubic wrote: post #45

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I don't disagree with that in the slightest. Infosys is the optimized answer to shitty IT governance in the west. But that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't solve an actual business problem.

think about your comment and than think again. Do you really believe it doesn't actually solve a problem ? Not at all ?

They said a BUSINESS problem, not an "individual executive wants to get promoted" problem.

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Post by mindentropy »

aivijay wrote: post #59
kumarvvr wrote: post #29

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"insane amounts of money" is an overkill. I have worked for a year in IBM. We had a two weeks training course on Lotus Notes, sub-contracted out to a training institute. In a dingy place, in an inner part of the city. Even in companies like Infosys, most training is done in-house. So we are not talking about insane amounts of money. Additionally, if you need to really spend insane amounts of money to train freshers,…

I like the last one. True, Infosys like companies started as a service company and never expanded their business to develop out of the service sector which is bad. My observation is, all these service companies only focus on their profits and never reinvest to expand the business out of it, maybe developing a product to start with.

Why do companies have to move out of service business? There are so many companies which would give complete product development to service companies because it is not in their domain of expertise.

Personally they should have improved upon the service business. All the present good frameworks etc does not need to be rewritten but has to applied in a better way.

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Post by kumarvvr »

mindentropy wrote: post #63
aivijay wrote: post #59

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I like the last one. True, Infosys like companies started as a service company and never expanded their business to develop out of the service sector which is bad. My observation is, all these service companies only focus on their profits and never reinvest to expand the business out of it, maybe developing a product to start with.

Why do companies have to move out of service business? There are so many companies which would give complete product development to service companies because it is not in their domain of expertise. Personally they should have improved upon the service business. All the present good frameworks etc does not need to be rewritten but has to applied in a better way.

Service companies developing products mostly happens for non critical line of business apps, and usually its just an extension to the apps already serviced by the company.

However, BigIT in India could have latched onto that work and move into core product development.

Two reasons they did not.

One, their cash cow is service and moving people into product development would hurt their bottomline.

Two, they failed to see the obvious growing threat of automation. This I think is their biggest failure.

When you see the threat to your core business, its your responsibility to plan for the future.

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Post by tmbsundar »

trimbo wrote: post #35
tmbsundar wrote: post #15

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I think you are painting with a broad brush here rubbishing the entire company. > no growth I've known people grow within Infosys just like any other big company > they pay you peanuts and earn millions Not sure which offices you are referring to - India or US. In India at least, they are at par with peers engaged in the same Services model. > They treat you like shit Subjective. Depending on what you expected and wh…

> Subjective. Depending on what you expected and what you got in return So if I go into a company expecting to be treated like shit, it's all good then?

I don't get this argument. Why would anybody go into a company expecting to be treated like shit? Stay away, if you know in advance.

To be clear, what I meant was - if you walk into a services based company with the expectation of working in a niche or a good product building experience, you may be disappointed. Peoples' expectation on the work they get and what it turns out to be (the project you are assigned etc.,) might make them feel like they are treated like shit.

If on any other ground (HR grounds, facilities, equality etc.,), they treat people like shit, then it's no more subjective, but subject to law of the land and corporate laws.

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Post by radicaldreamer »

qwefadf wrote: post #58
radicaldreamer wrote: post #47

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Infosys built the original iOS App Store. It's not perfect, but for something which operates at a massive scale, it isn't the worst it could be.

Bullshit. My team built the original app store in Apple.

I might be mistaken on this then. I think it might have been the dev center then, prior to the refresh? I heard this from someone who worked at Apple for years, they were set up in offices across the street from the team they interfaced with at Apple.

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Post by kamaal »

nu11p01n73R wrote: post #27
kamaal wrote: post #16

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I find it really strange that people are down voting this comment. Not only do these Big IT companies hire in mass, they also spend insane amounts of money and time training students who come out of college without exposure to real work. Yeah they pay peanuts and yes you would be just a face in the crowd. But they likely give you the biggest break of your life. People need to show some gratitude.

Gratitude for what? Training? 1. The training is useful only if you are allocated to the project in the same domain. 2. You are trained in some relevant tech so that you can look for jobs else where. Both of this is not the case. Mostly everyone is trained in mysql, language(Java, C# etc) or maybe mainframe systems. What extra are you getting over a self taught programmer. (You would get very less in real because the…

Did not understand what you are complaining against. There is no university education or any kind of training for life. My entire experience in tech is learning a new piece of technology every few years.

Any company that is likely to hire can only give you base set of skills, beyond this its on you take it forward from there. Also in my experience these companies have routine training for most bleeding edge tech. Not many people sign up for it. During my time there, very few people had the inclination or appetite to take on technically intensive work and bulk of the crowd was in only because they needed a job and it was easy to get one here.

Plus the motivation of many people was getting easy abroad travel opportunities and ability to get by life doing low intensity tech work at a good monthly pay.

Re: Infosys CEO Vishal Sikka Resigns

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Post by kamaal »

kumarvvr wrote: post #29
kamaal wrote: post #16

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I find it really strange that people are down voting this comment. Not only do these Big IT companies hire in mass, they also spend insane amounts of money and time training students who come out of college without exposure to real work. Yeah they pay peanuts and yes you would be just a face in the crowd. But they likely give you the biggest break of your life. People need to show some gratitude.

"insane amounts of money" is an overkill. I have worked for a year in IBM. We had a two weeks training course on Lotus Notes, sub-contracted out to a training institute. In a dingy place, in an inner part of the city. Even in companies like Infosys, most training is done in-house. So we are not talking about insane amounts of money. Additionally, if you need to really spend insane amounts of money to train freshers,…

>>Even in companies like Infosys, most training is done in-house. So we are not talking about insane amounts of money.

Infosys provides free housing AND pays salaries for 4-6 month training period, during which you don't do a dust-peck worth of production work. This is for thousands of freshers. So yes its for all practical purposes insane amount of money.

>>Additionally, if you need to really spend insane amounts of money to train freshers, then either you are hiring wrong, or you are dumping complex work on them.

When given good work complain the work is too complex, when not given complain of lack of opportunities to learn.

>>Either way, it's the problem of the company.

Yeah, In India its always somebody else's problem.

>>Of course, students out of college will not have any exposure to real work. There is no real internship system in India.

There is. It doesn't arrive on a plate though campus placements.

>>Also, training fresh students, just out of college is a process followed by literally every company on earth, which is hiring freshers.

NO. In US you either perform or will be fired.

This level of entitlement among us Indians is sickening.

If people really think there are jobs and companies beneath them, please feel free to go work wherever you like.

World doesn't owe you a job on your terms.

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Post by fooker »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #66
qwefadf wrote: post #58

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Bullshit. My team built the original app store in Apple.

I might be mistaken on this then. I think it might have been the dev center then, prior to the refresh? I heard this from someone who worked at Apple for years, they were set up in offices across the street from the team they interfaced with at Apple.

No, Apple doesn't do that.
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