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Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by Jasper_ »

mrb wrote: post #51
starmole wrote: post #49

This showcases what's wrong with SVG: It does way too much! To be useful as a vector image format, there should be strict rules (and less cruft). Why is there no libsvg like libjpeg or libpng? Why have interaction as part of an image format? SVG lives in an uncanny valley between jpeg and flash/js. I think there is still a big need for a real vector interchange and display format. Right now people pick a "good" subse…

There is https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/ which is a subset of SVG without scripting, without CSS styling. Not sure why it never gained more traction.

Because SVG Tiny 1.2 still has support for scripting and CSS styling.

https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/styling.html https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/script.html

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by sAbakumoff »

vturner wrote: post #36

It's always been a curiosity of mine why SVG didn't get more attention from browsers through the years to solve the performance issues. It's open source, cross platform, "dynamic" in a sense AKA no compiling needed, light weight, supports shapes and text, offers immediate responsiveness, etc. Why the lack of love while we pour ever increasing energy into mangling HTML and CSS and every six months a new JS framework/m…

>>offers immediate responsiveness

does it? Any examples of responsive grid system on SVG? What would be interesting.

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by starmole »

mrb wrote: post #51
starmole wrote: post #49

This showcases what's wrong with SVG: It does way too much! To be useful as a vector image format, there should be strict rules (and less cruft). Why is there no libsvg like libjpeg or libpng? Why have interaction as part of an image format? SVG lives in an uncanny valley between jpeg and flash/js. I think there is still a big need for a real vector interchange and display format. Right now people pick a "good" subse…

There is https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/ which is a subset of SVG without scripting, without CSS styling. Not sure why it never gained more traction.

It still includes interactivity & scripting (https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/script.html)! Even audio etc.! So that's probably why it didn't get traction.

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by Veratyr »

noonespecial wrote: post #52
jiggunjer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With inkscape?

You got it. Imported the jpg and traced it with Inkscape. Hand optimized the SVG and inlined it right into the html of the login page.

Logos are typically shipped in SVG or Adobe Illustrator format aren't they? Even the old style ones had technical specifications. Seems odd you'd have to hand trace a JPEG.

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by mrb »

Jasper_ wrote: post #61
mrb wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/ which is a subset of SVG without scripting, without CSS styling. Not sure why it never gained more traction.

Because SVG Tiny 1.2 still has support for scripting and CSS styling. https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/styling.html https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/script.html

I trusted Wikipedia (which says otherwise) without checking the references. Argh!

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by mikekchar »

One of funnest projects I worked on at Corel was called "Smart Graphics Studio" (I'm guessing most of the people who worked on it also read HN, so "Hi!"). It was an absolutely stupid idea: Some insane PGM read that XSLT could transform any XML into any other XML. Then they read that SVG was XML. They put 2 and 2 together and got a billion: You could draw a picture in SVG and then modify it intelligently (through XSLT) using some XML data set.

Of course the opposite is actually a brilliant idea (at least at a time when XML was still popular): Take an XML dataset and visualise it in SVG using XSLT transformations (well... yeah... doing it all in XSLT is still insane, but you get the idea).

Anyway, we built a very high performance SVG viewer (for the time, anyway) from scratch. We built an SVG/Javascript widget library. We built an incredibly impressive data manipulation library in XSLT (ok... yeah... insane).

Fun times. And all nearly 20 years ago. It really was ahead of its time. Of course the end finally had to come. The PGMs sold this thing to a certain aviation company with the promise that it would automatically build circuit diagrams from their XML chipset database (because.... XSLT!)

When Vector took over Corel, they very rightly dropped our division like a hot potato (we had something like 3 PGMs per developer). It was quite unfortunate because the developers and QA people I worked with there were some of the best I've every had the pleasure of working with. I've always waited for something to come of SVG and really wish we had been able to release something that wasn't crazy so that people could see what the potential was.

Edit: In my old age I'm losing track of time. It seems that Vector acquired Corel in 2003, so that's only 15 years ago :-)

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by icebraining »

jordache wrote: post #48
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #15

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In my experience, canvas 2D also has a number-of-elements performance ceiling if you're drawing things rather than using images, which feels like it defeats the purpose. For example, try drawing hundreds of coloured rectangles per frame. Easy, right? If you're using WebGL, or any sensible graphics API, yes. If you're using canvas, the web-browser will parse and re-parse your colour expression CSS n times per frame. E…

> has a number-of-elements performance ceiling if you're drawing things rather than using images, which feels like it defeats the purpose. Well you can generate your imagery programmatically and then render it to canvas as a raster image. Canvas is not purely for implementing a web based drawing app.

But you can also embed a raster image in SVG.

Re: SVG can do that?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Have not seen anyone mention it, but does it make sense to do Web Game development using SVG's with JavaScript? Has anyone tried this? Is it as fun as these slides make it seem or are there downsides to that approach?
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