Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Convincing people takes time

blog.justonepixel.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–66 of 66 posts

Re: Convincing people takes time

#61

Post by the_cat_kittles »

generic_user wrote: post #28
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

here we are in 2017, with many many crucial things to argue about. this is your priority? good luck!

Simply stating that 'its the current year' you can not have those opinions, is not addressing the issue or argument. Its an attempt to shut down debate and silence people. The article was about techniques you can try to engage people and ideas you disagree with in a more friendly and respectful way. You might want to be more thoughtful of your own posts in that respect.

it just seems tone deaf to me. like, in the 12 hours since i wrote this, a nazi drove a car into a crowd of people at that stupid rally. i just don't think every "side" of every "argument" deserves equal consideration.

Re: Convincing people takes time

#62

Post by imartin2k »

leereeves wrote: post #54
fao_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

""I'm for finding the truth of the matter using rational arguments backed up by evidence. I do my own research and I try to be thorough."" He seems to be fairly big in the ""rationalist"" crowd.

"Rationalist" youtube is a term I hadn't heard before. I'd never even heard of The Golden One or Thunderf00t but that youtuber spends a lot of time responding to them.

dito.

Re: Convincing people takes time

#63

Post by alexholehouse »

abecedarius wrote: post #60
alexholehouse wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha! - point extremely well taken, in much the same vein as "I'm not racist, BUT...". I did feel awkward writing it - in this case it was actually meant sincerely. I really wasn't sure if I'd misunderstood. It seemed too ironic in a discussion on open minded-ness to basically say "I immediately stopped listening after I heard something I didn't like" (although maybe this is a reasonable approach? I'd strongly argue it…

> I did read your comment as a touch condescending, just FYI. Sigh, yeah, I need to watch that. Good of you to let me know. My take on the not-listening thing -- of course I'm not Aron -- is that if you've heard a faction hector you a lot, and you don't think they're listening to you except maybe to match some of your words into their standard bingo cards, then it's natural to tune someone out the moment they say one…

>My take on the not-listening thing -- of course I'm not Aron -- is that if you've heard a faction hector you a lot, and you don't think they're listening to you except maybe to match some of your words into their standard bingo cards, then it's natural to tune someone out the moment they say one of that faction's shibboleths.

Ah - this is very good point, thanks for following up on this!

Re: Convincing people takes time

#64

Post by irickt »

leereeves wrote: post #32
brighteyes wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still keep trying to convince them, gently and reasonably. There is no other option.

How can you try to convince people gently and reasonably when they won't hear you, but will only hear a distorted version of what you say, taken out of context and edited for maximum outrage?

Interpret that behavior as damage and route around it.

Re: Convincing people takes time

#65

Post by abecedarius »

alexholehouse wrote: post #63
abecedarius wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I did read your comment as a touch condescending, just FYI. Sigh, yeah, I need to watch that. Good of you to let me know. My take on the not-listening thing -- of course I'm not Aron -- is that if you've heard a faction hector you a lot, and you don't think they're listening to you except maybe to match some of your words into their standard bingo cards, then it's natural to tune someone out the moment they say one…

>My take on the not-listening thing -- of course I'm not Aron -- is that if you've heard a faction hector you a lot, and you don't think they're listening to you except maybe to match some of your words into their standard bingo cards, then it's natural to tune someone out the moment they say one of that faction's shibboleths. Ah - this is very good point, thanks for following up on this!

You're welcome -- glad we could talk!

Re: Convincing people takes time

#66

Post by msla »

doubleshame wrote: post #55
yedava wrote: post #5

Being polite seems like a good idea until you realize that people having arguing against gender stereotypes, politely, for several decades at the least. But even after all that, people find it far easier to believe that men are more inclined to work with things. (One has to wonder then why women don't form the majority in leadership positions, given that being a leader is all about working with people and not things)…

You can be fined for not calling people ‘ze’ or ‘hir,’ if that’s the pronoun they demand that you use https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtm...

You can be fined for being an asshole by ignoring a revealed preference? SHAME AND SCANDAL!
Post reply on HN