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Tonka beans – A delicious flavour with a toxic chemical

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Re: Tonka beans – A delicious flavour with a toxic chemical

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Yea, but those are already properly labeled. I'm not sure what you are getting at?

I believe pavement means consuming coumarin while taking analgesics.

Indeed, I was thinking that it's probably one more detail a person could neglect, unwittingly nickel-and-diming their way to further liver damage. For a perfect storm, add them altogether on top of a case of undiagnosed hepatitis.

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Take enough nutmeg, and you'll start hallucinating.

In a good way or a bad way?

You can read that for yourself: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Nutmeg.shtml . The Datura page is also highly recommeded for another dose of "why would anyone do this?!".

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Another food also banned from the US because of its coumarin content is the herb Hierochloe odorata, also known as bison grass or sweet grass. It's an important ingredient in Żubrówka vodka. For this reason, the Żubrówka you can purchase in the US is essentially fake, containing ingredients meant to simulate or approximate coumarin.

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And the typical amount used in a dish is 1/100th of a nut or less. Literally a few strokes on a rasp is enough to flavour a dish.

Yep, it's a bit surprising at first if you do not cook very often just how little of a spice is required (at least it was for me). Just a tiny bit more than needed generally tastes awful.

Same with chilli's.

GF bought me a chilli set and while they where all delicious, the naga one was in a league of it's own.

They went mild, medium, I felt that and oh dear god, what have I wrought.

In hindsight I should have respected the reputation of the Naga chilli.

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I adopted a pitbull whose shelter name was "Beans". Immediately upon adopting, I dropped the name "Beans" and gave him the moniker Tatanka. My wife occasionally calls him Tonka Beans for short... He's my best friend.

tatanka like buffalo from dancing with wolves? we use that reference for the thundering footsteps of our hairy family members wrestling, playing tag, playing...

exactly...we were watching dances with wolves the night before we got him :)

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> Ray and skate is nothing like scallops. They are frequently substituted, cut out in little circles, and sold as "scallops". It is legal to do so (in the US.) The poster is complaining about mislabeling.

Frequently where? I believe this is yet another urban legend. The meat looks different.

Here in Australia. A lot of people just aren't familiar enough with the real thing to know the difference.

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>“I was talking to a vanilla purveyor recently and he offered me tonka bean paste,” says Raquel. “I was like ‘If I want to use tonka bean, I’ll use tonka bean.’” One of my biggest issues with mislabeling foods. Sell me vanilla at the market price, sell me tonka at the market price, but don't sell my vanilla that is actually tonka at vanilla market prices. Same with scallops and stingray, crab and surimi, calamari and…

This is a big problem in the USA, but much of Europe is far stricter about food labeling.

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TL;DR with the important stuff bumped (I hate, hate, hate clickbait and burying the lede): Tonka beans, containing the toxic-to-the-liver chemical Coumarin, are banned for use in food in the US but still used in some high-end restaurants and bakeries, leading to occasional FDA raids. The beans impart flavors akin to vanilla, lavender, cherries, and grass, due to their sharing some chemical components. They're probabl…

"Tonka beans have an intense flavour that chefs and food manufacturers have enthusiastically embraced. There’s just one problem – it contains a chemical that could, in large enough doses, kill you." This is the first thing in the article . How is the lede buried?

Ah, yeah, I looked past the subtitle and started reading the article itself, which is definitely not ideal inverted-pyramid reporting, as it starts with:

"It’s led to raids by law enforcement agencies and mass deaths in animals; in the United States, chefs have ‘dealers’ who smuggle it into the country."

So: lede's not buried, but the rest of the article's garbage.

I'm fine with nonstandard, creative news writing, gonzo, whatever, when it's justified and done well, but this article's just a rambling eyeball trap.

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> scallops and stingray Ray and skate is nothing like scallops. > calamari and pork Again, nothing alike. > chocolate and flavored vegetable oil Chocolate contains more elements than just cocoa butter, so you can't just replace it with vegetable oil. I'm sure there's some chocolate out there that cuts vegetable oil into the cocoa butter, but I've personally not come across it.

> Ray and skate is nothing like scallops. They are frequently substituted, cut out in little circles, and sold as "scallops". It is legal to do so (in the US.) The poster is complaining about mislabeling.

This was elevated to meme status by a mention in Jaws, but neither the FDA or the National Fisheries Institute are buying it.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-09-29/entertainment/...

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39179/are-cheap...

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