Are there any patterns in the data? I'd like to find out: 1) If these are people who have commited a crime before 2) Were raised in certain cultures/locations 3) Are gangs
Probably the "asians" again /s
Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
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Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#62> "Bystanders who come to the aid of the victim of an attack can have an important role in minimising further injury," [..] > They urged bystanders to remove victims from exposure as soon as possible and apply "copious" amounts of water on the affected area, "to minimize the long-term effects of scarring and need for surgical reconstruction." The "'copious' amounts of water on the affected area" part can't be stresse…
Anyone know if it would be possible to neutralize an acid attack in a sprayable fashion with baking soda?/stabilizer?, like the opposite of pepper spray that bystanders can use since water isn't always accessible?
Further to the (correct) comment about the heat released by the neutralisation reaction not all attacks are with acid. Some are using strong alkalis e.g. drain cleaners.
Water is safest.
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#63Ban guns, ban bread knives, ... London has fallen. Glad I left three years ago.
This is mince. Knives were banned because of an surge in knife crime. Guns have obviously been banned for an age. I suspect you have an ulterior motive.
I think he is highlighting that the problem is not the weapons but rather the people wielding them.
These people will use the next best thing and the bans only really affect law abiding citizens.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the UK, reacting violently to any kind of attack is very likely to result in you being prosecuted for assault. If anyone is wondering why anti-social behaviour and minor criminality is now so common here it is not that decent people don't want to do anything about it, it is because the Police are often perceived to be on the same side of the assailants.
I've downvoted this, since without any statistics to back it up, it's merely repetition of a common, unsubstantiated right-wing meme. A search along the lines of "arrested assault robber" shows many cases reported in the Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror etc where the opposite happened, but only a single case where the bystander was arrested -- in that case, because the robber died [1]. Anti-social behaviour and minor criminal…
Anti-social behaviour and minor criminality is the result of decades of underinvestement in education, regions outside London, austerity and an unbalanced economy [2].
Ill informed leftist ideology trumps unsubstantiated right-wing meme thanks to a random Guardian link.
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the UK, reacting violently to any kind of attack is very likely to result in you being prosecuted for assault. If anyone is wondering why anti-social behaviour and minor criminality is now so common here it is not that decent people don't want to do anything about it, it is because the Police are often perceived to be on the same side of the assailants.
I've downvoted this, since without any statistics to back it up, it's merely repetition of a common, unsubstantiated right-wing meme. A search along the lines of "arrested assault robber" shows many cases reported in the Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror etc where the opposite happened, but only a single case where the bystander was arrested -- in that case, because the robber died [1]. Anti-social behaviour and minor criminal…
I love how "austerity" is the catch all cause of all social problems, despite social welfare spending as a share of GDP massively increasing in the UK over the last 50 years.
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#66Odd/interesting that they don't mention motives. They give one example of using acid to commit a mugging. Yet[1] seems to state that acid attacks are mostly male-on-female violence for relationships/shame issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#Epidemiology So it is a real threat to tourists? It's like when you hear about high crime in some area, but it's mostly gang members killing each other -- it's a s…
The top 3 London boroughs for acid attacks are ones with significantly large South Asian / Muslim communities.
Source: https://youtu.be/oHFfzVVRCm4
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a Pakistani Muslim problem. So avoid bigger cities. I lived for 10 months in Birmingham, I had to leave because even though I'm a grown man I could not tolerate the terror of people throwing rocks at your window at night. Besides the area around the main Concert Hall there is no particular "British" culture left in that city and acid attacks are definitely not done by local Brits. Nobody says anything because…
This is a sham comment and you are a liar. The idea that there is no British culture in Birmingham is bald-faced misrepresentation and you should be ashamed of it.
Meh. Birmingham is big I probably couldn't see more than 5% of it. And I agree there are "islands" of British culture left. But you have to specifically look for them. And I'm the kind of guy who visited a concert in the Symphony Hall almost every other week (even though I was probably the youngest person in the audience).
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is bullshit there are plenty of areas in Birmingham that have equally scummy white people in them. Also if people are throwing rocks at you, you are def in the wrong area, it's a city there are some places you can't go, it's a bit like walking through inner city LA and being surprised you got robbed.
I agree there are "scummy white people" too. But they only get aggressive on alcohol after sport events. They are definitely not the ones throwing acid at people. This is just a different level violence. I lived in Selly Oak. I don't know if this area is particular bad. At least the rent was high enough.
Selly Oak was once quite a nice place, not so much now. And I dunno if this is a new level of violence, it's just changed because you can't carry a knife anymore. But the premise that only Pakistanis carry out acid attacks is wrong. There are racial divides in Birmingham but violence and crime is pretty universal.
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is mince. Knives were banned because of an surge in knife crime. Guns have obviously been banned for an age. I suspect you have an ulterior motive.
I think he is highlighting that the problem is not the weapons but rather the people wielding them. These people will use the next best thing and the bans only really affect law abiding citizens.
If the ban would only affect law abiding citizens, then why aren't the criminals described here using already banned knives or guns?
Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks
#70Does anyone have a link to the data (which is only mentioned once in the article).
I strongly agree that journalists should link to their sources of data. It seems these figures were "obtained by BBC" through FoI request, not part of normal Met Police data sets. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39328233 Here's an older FoI request, but it might not be the one the BBC are talking about: https://beta.met.police.uk/globalassets/foi-media/disclosure... UK crime statistics come in two forms.…
Forgot to include the ONS link! Here it is: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...