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Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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post #16

Bit tangential, but I read an interesting theory this morning: Because there is greatly reduced liquidity of BCH (most exchanges don't support, hard/slow to deposit into exchanges that do), supply of BCH is artificially limited at the moment. Proponents of BCH can trade their BTC for BCH at a rate greater than they believe it is worth to easily pump the value and 'market cap' (most market cap stats have no measure of…

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Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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Great writeup. Almost anything written by Matt Levine is worth reading. This is a concise and accurate description of the fun that occurred with Bitfinex's handling of the BCH fork. At least, it's fun if you weren't involved. If you naively held BTC on Bitfinex and were hoping to receive an equal amount of BCH you probably didn't think it was fun. If you carefully read Bitfinex's statements and decided to take advant…

Probably started by this http://hackingdistributed.com/2017/07/29/bitcoin-impending-a...

Published by another guy worth reading

> As one trader puts it Short 1 btc. Buy 1 btc. Get 1 bcc free :).

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

#63

Yeah if you were paying attention to the short vs long interest for BTC on Bitfinex right before the hard fork, BTC shorts went up like crazy and everyone thought ppl were hyper bearish on BCH. It was actually because ppl were pulling this funny business to get free BCH from Bitfinex.

Hedging against a clearly inflated asset is "funny business"?

The funny business is that people were creating a position guaranteed to pay out free money, assuming bitfinex actually followed their own policy.

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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post #23

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did you have it on a wallet online or in a wallet you created with a software locally? if its locally created, then good news. you should download Electron Cash and import the existing wallet and you shall see your BCCs.

Should I sell my BCC so I can collect the cash in case it fails? And then assume I will still have my BTC..

That's a common question right now. So is, "should I sell my BTC in case it fails, and assume I will still have BCH?" The market might help you make that decision when the exchanges open BCH withdrawals and deposits.

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

#65
The article seemed to indicate a short squeeze condition without actually naming it that way, strangely enough. If so, it could get vicious for the short sellers. I am not invested in it, just thought to add my 2 cents

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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post #33

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Matt sums it up well in a footnote: Imagine if I announced tomorrow that I had created a new blockchain, called Bitcoin Matt, and that everyone who owned a BTC today will tomorrow own both a BTC and a BCM. Fine, great, you all own BCMs, congratulations. But also anyone short a BTC today will be short a BCM tomorrow, and will be forced to go buy in those BCM shorts. Even with no economic support for BCM -- with nobody…

Except your clone doesn't have miner support, community support, and get listed by major exchanges. I hate that people are acting like anyone can just go and make a fork for free money.

The point is, what's the threshold for "enough support"? Already for Bitcoin Cash, different exchanges have come to different conclusions on whether it's sufficiently supported to list on their exchange.

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

#67

It is hilarious watching people try to reinvent financial institutions without any knowledge of or respect for history.

If nothing else blockchain creates tons of entertainment value. Something completely crazy seems to go down every day. It is like a reality show on a criminal channel

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

#68
post #2

I really don't see how this fork is going to go down as anything other than a boondoggle. Right now the value of BCC is being propped up by having almost no way to actually sell it, but once an actual market opens I fully expect its price to crash hard.

This also explains where the "missing" (negative) value actually exists: in non-tradable BCC.

This is pretty funny though - it turns out that you don't need to control 50% of the mining pool to mess with it - you only need enough to start a half-credible fork that presents BTC holders with enough paper-losses to make them angry and potentially expose exchanges to lawsuits.

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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post #35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt sums it up well in a footnote: Imagine if I announced tomorrow that I had created a new blockchain, called Bitcoin Matt, and that everyone who owned a BTC today will tomorrow own both a BTC and a BCM. Fine, great, you all own BCMs, congratulations. But also anyone short a BTC today will be short a BCM tomorrow, and will be forced to go buy in those BCM shorts. Even with no economic support for BCM -- with nobody…

I hate to be That Guy [tm] but can you please not indent quotes like that? It's a PITA to read on mobile.

Thank you!!!

Re: Bitcoin Exchange Had Too Many Bitcoins

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt sums it up well in a footnote: Imagine if I announced tomorrow that I had created a new blockchain, called Bitcoin Matt, and that everyone who owned a BTC today will tomorrow own both a BTC and a BCM. Fine, great, you all own BCMs, congratulations. But also anyone short a BTC today will be short a BCM tomorrow, and will be forced to go buy in those BCM shorts. Even with no economic support for BCM -- with nobody…

Except your clone doesn't have miner support, community support, and get listed by major exchanges. I hate that people are acting like anyone can just go and make a fork for free money.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you claiming that Bitcoin Cash doesn't have those things? Or are you saying that those things are important factors which differentiate Bitcoin Cash from other forks?
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