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Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by staticelf »

solnyshok wrote: post #60
staticelf wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what? She knew that was a possibility and that it is highly illegal and still she went through with it. I would say that is having intent if anything. I love my country but I think she should be punished a lot harder. Arkebusering på slottsgården. But since that will never happen, 12 years in jail is probably enough.

for those who does not speak swedish (like me). google translate says "firing squad in the courtyard"

That was a joke though. :)

And slottsgården is more like "courtyard of the castle"

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by archevel »

depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

I realy fail to see how being a "feminist" government has any bearing on the issue at hand. Sure the government screwed up, but the rant part just takes away from the valid points you've raised.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by maaaats »

beagle3 wrote: post #57
maaaats wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just moves the goalpost though. Denmark could say the same to Germany, and they to southern countries. Should the beach-cities of Italy carry all the responsibility? Should we in Norway not help humanity, because there are some other borders between us and the problems? (Not aiming this at you)

No, it doesn't just move the goal posts - international law does make the first peaceful ground different by being the place a refugee needs to settle their status first. The refugee infrastructure in Italy (and Turkey, and Greece, and Jordan) is stretched thin and breaking, as this law was not written for the current situation. And as a result, Italy asked for help, did not receive it, and is now threatening to use…

> Assuming you are norweigan -- didn't Norway recently threaten closing the Swedish border if Sweden doesn't reign on their refugee situation and stop them from crossing to norway?

Yes, as has happened elsewhere in the world, we have elected a government based on fear, FUD, protectionism and anti-immigration.

I don't support us sitting on a throne of riches, leaving the rest of the world to deal with the problems, though. This is of course my personal belief, but I also think not doing it this way is shortsighted and will leave everyone, including us, worse of in the long run.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by rimliu »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #42
jjawssd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://acidmuncher.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/feminist-trump-...

TL;DR: Link is to a rambling blog article about a perceived slight (moving money from a 'foreign aid' budget to a 'refugees' one) that will have an unsubstantiated outcome (Sweden will accept only male refugees in the country), apparently based on a well-known falsehood ("most refugees are single adult males" [1]). Blog has articles such as "Sweden should have guns like Texas because ISIS!". Blog author is not Swedis…

Care to show data about Sweden for 2016?

Because your first link talks only about Syrian refugees and only a fraction (

  > as of 16 March 2016 they had recorded nearly 5 million registered
  > Syrian refugees: 2.1 million of them in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and
  > Lebanon, another 1.9 million in Turkey, and more than 28,000 in
  > North Africa.
Go see http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... and "well-known falsehood" is not that a falsehood any more.

The second link talks about old stats before the "great influx".

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

rhblake wrote: post #16
hutch120 wrote: post #11

Another IBM stuff up... anyone remember the Australian Census screw up? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-25/ibm-to-pay-over-$30m-i...

I don't know how much blame you can put on IBM here. - The Transport Agency decided to outsource operations, and IBM won the contract (April 2015) - The following month, the head of the agency decided to ignore certain laws about privacy, secrecy, etc., as well as the agency's own requirements about information security - The Swedish Security Service, Säpo (basically our FBI), immediately got wind of this and started…

IBM really should be able to see that this is a very questionable contract and not take the contract.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by belorn »

rconti wrote: post #30
depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

I'm not familiar with Sweden's "feminist" government. Can you help foreigners understand? Was it, for example, a matter of existing staff members hiring new ones based on gender rather than on competence? Any reading material on the matter? It sounds like it's a well-known political argument in Sweden, I just don't know the background.

It is self defined, as in they call themselves feminist. You will be hard pressed to find any distinguishable feature.

You brought up hiring new staff. This government is the largest employer in the nation and has worse gender segregation than the private industry. One could be forgiven to think then that a "feminist" government would have at minimum create a recommendation in the hiring policy to address that. Nope. Government hired positions still top as the most extreme gender segregated professions in the nation and the trend with this government is more gender segregation in government hired positions, not less.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by petters »

depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

> leaking highly classified information to foreign powers - an act that would be punished as high treason in any sane country.

If she had been convicted for intentionally leaking information to foreign powers for money, she would have been convicted for treason.

But the prosecution could not find/show intent, so she was only convicted for incompetence.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by rimliu »

maaaats wrote: post #63
beagle3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't just move the goal posts - international law does make the first peaceful ground different by being the place a refugee needs to settle their status first. The refugee infrastructure in Italy (and Turkey, and Greece, and Jordan) is stretched thin and breaking, as this law was not written for the current situation. And as a result, Italy asked for help, did not receive it, and is now threatening to use…

> Assuming you are norweigan -- didn't Norway recently threaten closing the Swedish border if Sweden doesn't reign on their refugee situation and stop them from crossing to norway? Yes, as has happened elsewhere in the world, we have elected a government based on fear, FUD, protectionism and anti-immigration. I don't support us sitting on a throne of riches, leaving the rest of the world to deal with the problems, th…

Overstretching infrastructure won't make it any better for anyone. Imagine the lifeboat which accepts everyone and sinks because it cannot support the weight.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by Symbiote »

staticelf wrote: post #61
solnyshok wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for those who does not speak swedish (like me). google translate says "firing squad in the courtyard"

That was a joke though. :) And slottsgården is more like "courtyard of the castle"

"Castle courtyard" or "palace courtyard".

Probably palace, since that's the fancier building with less physical defences in the construction.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by belorn »

staticelf wrote: post #49

The biggest problem with this story is not that it happened, it is that it could happen again. IT issues is heavily underestimated in government agencies and corporations [1], viewed like it' nothing important. The same goes for politicians, they don't give so much attention to IT at all. The problem is of course lack of knowledge. They don't understand how important it is and that it is one of societies most critica…

There is a lot of resistance, universally it seems, to the concept that outsourcing is different to in-house development/administration. It doesn't even seem like its a knowledge issue, but rather willful ignorance. Cost, convenience, and less likelihood to be blame for faults is more important than security and control.

To take one example, only government entity that I know that don't outsource email would be the military, and even there I doubt the in-house use is 100%.

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