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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by jhanschoo »

ourcat wrote: post #7
ddavis wrote: post #4

What is offensive about the domain name? Just curious.

Short for "Lolita"?

The history of the 2-syllable word "loli" to refer to prepubescence is pretty interesting. Of course, it began as the Lolita of Nabokov's book. Some decades later, Japanese street fashion then co-opted this term to refer to a coquettish fashion style with Victorian motifs; for an analogy you might consider it similar to how steampunk wears and reinterprets the outward look of mechanical automatons.

I don't quite get the original choice of naming outside of perhaps the lack of awareness of cultural subtleties and connotations that underlie cultural appropriation, but it is apt, since choosing to dress in such a way is a voluntary choice to want to be seen and viewed as a (perfect) and very youthful doll more as something to be admired from a distance than to be interacted with—perhaps the notion of sexual immaturity was seen to reinforce Victorian prudishness and vice versa. The way things get verbally abbreviated in Japanese is that they tend to be abbreviated into abbreviations of 2-mora or 4-mora, roughly corresponding to 2 syllables or 4 syllables. Hence Lolita was quickly abbreviated to loli in casual speak.

From there, the usage of the word loli further evolved in Japanese anime-related media. "loli" probably started off as a not-very-common archetype of female character who looked like the idealized lolita dresser—a doll-like prepubescent person with "refined" manners. Perhaps with influence from the original meaning of Lolita, at some point loli was generalized into the (by now common) prepubescent female character archetype in anime-related media, regardless of whether or not the Victorian-motifed dresses accompanied it.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by microcolonel »

jrimbault wrote: post #33
microcolonel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the laid-back, results oriented nature of Arch Linux is what got it here. The IRC and mailing list are openly hostile to people who do not read the manual, and yet it has consistently been the best goddamn Linux distro on the planet earth for the solid five years I've used it. It is on the backs of people like this that Arch Linux was built, and if that laissez faire atmosphere deteriorates, I suspect the produ…

(I am a full time arch user and occasionally read some of the mailing lists) I don't see how the RTFM mentality and what you call "laid back" mentality are compatible. Imo, Arch is one of the more severe/strict distros and communities. Guess it's all perception.

I know what you're getting at, and that's fair from one perspective.

To people who are socially sensitive it can be very stressful to work with these folks. When I say laid-back I figure I mean that it is more tolerant/friendly to autistic behaviour. The low standard for social skills brings in a lot of people who do productive work, at the expense of the perception of people who don't work well with autistic types. More men and boys are autistic (or close to it) than women and girls, so you'll see an even bigger split here than usual.

Basically, this domain name is typical autistic weeaboo trash (in keeping with the weeaboo handle). It's obviously not a literal endorsement of child trafficking; probably a morsel of dark humour which is more offensive than humorous if you're sensitive; or perhaps it's a tool for his work at NCMEC.

Emotional sensitivity is effectively a cancer to these communities, because a large portion of the members are incapable of it. If it takes hold in the Arch Linux community, it could collapse almost entirely.

HN has a lot of sensitive/agreeable people, so (understandable) outrage in this thread has cost me ~50 karma. It's a matter of personality, whether you see this as a sign of a healthy community, or possibly the end of an era.

Seems like this guy has a history of being a grade too abrasive for different communities. I understand why he sounds so upset in his response here.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by ferbivore »

ioquatix wrote: post #48
jakobegger wrote: post #38

some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are dicks. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a dick.

> some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are vaginas. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of vaginaish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a vagina.

We typically use the word "cunt", since "vagina" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by [deleted] »

ferbivore wrote: post #64
ioquatix wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are vaginas. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of vaginaish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a vagina.

We typically use the word "cunt", since "vagina" doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by steanne »

microcolonel wrote: post #63
jrimbault wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I am a full time arch user and occasionally read some of the mailing lists) I don't see how the RTFM mentality and what you call "laid back" mentality are compatible. Imo, Arch is one of the more severe/strict distros and communities. Guess it's all perception.

I know what you're getting at, and that's fair from one perspective. To people who are socially sensitive it can be very stressful to work with these folks. When I say laid-back I figure I mean that it is more tolerant/friendly to autistic behaviour. The low standard for social skills brings in a lot of people who do productive work, at the expense of the perception of people who don't work well with autistic types.…

side note: autism may not be quite so imbalanced by gender. it's diagnosed in males more often, but the diagnostic criteria were established by observing males and autism presents differently in females. there are suspected to be a lot of undiagnosed ones.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-it-s-diffe...

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by DanBC »

jakobegger wrote: post #38

some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are dicks. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a dick.

> When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior

Sometimes known as "vested contributor". This is a problem people need to be aware of. It's probably a bad idea to tolerate poor behaviour.

http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/VestedContributor

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by microcolonel »

steanne wrote: post #66
microcolonel wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what you're getting at, and that's fair from one perspective. To people who are socially sensitive it can be very stressful to work with these folks. When I say laid-back I figure I mean that it is more tolerant/friendly to autistic behaviour. The low standard for social skills brings in a lot of people who do productive work, at the expense of the perception of people who don't work well with autistic types.…

side note: autism may not be quite so imbalanced by gender. it's diagnosed in males more often, but the diagnostic criteria were established by observing males and autism presents differently in females. there are suspected to be a lot of undiagnosed ones. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-it-s-diffe...

These could be two ways to say the same thing. The relevant aspect of it is the one which is simply diagnosed, and thus noticeable. If it is not apparent, it is not relevant in this case.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by JCharante »

microcolonel wrote: post #63
jrimbault wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I am a full time arch user and occasionally read some of the mailing lists) I don't see how the RTFM mentality and what you call "laid back" mentality are compatible. Imo, Arch is one of the more severe/strict distros and communities. Guess it's all perception.

I know what you're getting at, and that's fair from one perspective. To people who are socially sensitive it can be very stressful to work with these folks. When I say laid-back I figure I mean that it is more tolerant/friendly to autistic behaviour. The low standard for social skills brings in a lot of people who do productive work, at the expense of the perception of people who don't work well with autistic types.…

That was very well composed. You explained a laid-back culture in a very lojban way.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by matt4077 »

microcolonel wrote: post #63
jrimbault wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I am a full time arch user and occasionally read some of the mailing lists) I don't see how the RTFM mentality and what you call "laid back" mentality are compatible. Imo, Arch is one of the more severe/strict distros and communities. Guess it's all perception.

I know what you're getting at, and that's fair from one perspective. To people who are socially sensitive it can be very stressful to work with these folks. When I say laid-back I figure I mean that it is more tolerant/friendly to autistic behaviour. The low standard for social skills brings in a lot of people who do productive work, at the expense of the perception of people who don't work well with autistic types.…

The reply by this developer is full of sarcasm, a literary devise commonly thought to be hard for people on the autism spectrum to understand, let alone practice to such an extend.

The only imaginable purpose of this domain name was to elicit exactly the reaction that he got, and/or to cause emotions in people that don't complain. Such an intent to inflict emotional harm is also not consistent with what is commonly thought of as autism, especially not if it succeeds. Indeed, autism is almost defined by an inability to sense others' emotions, and therefore also to influence then.

If anything, this behaviour resembles sociopathy more closely.

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