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Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by jarboot »

badgers wrote: post #11
jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

For some background into the phenomenon that was Lake Park last summer, there was a large concentration of Pokestops around Lake Park in a relatively small area. In Pokemon GO there are geographic boundaries that make up biomes in the game which determine which Pokemon to spawn, for instance if you're near a source of water there is a high chance you will encounter water Pokemon. Lake Park appeared to not have any bi…

I spent a lot of time at lake Park for pokemon go almost exactly a year ago! It was basically a huge party and a great example of how AR could bring people together.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by koenigdavidmj »

gozur88 wrote: post #45
Sharlin wrote: post #36

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The idea of parks having opening hours is so completely alien to me that I don't even know where to begin...

If you leave parks open at night you have to provide quite a bit extra policing. Otherwise they get taken over by hookers and junkies, and normal people won't go there. That kind of policing is the first thing that gets cut when cities run out of money, at least in my area, so they close the parks at night.

And if you close it, then you either need a big impenetrable fence around the whole thing, or you still need to police it.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by barsonme »

minikites wrote: post #24
barsonme wrote: post #23

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I don't quite understand the issue. It's the government's job to keep up public infrastructure regardless of how heavily it's used—that's something the left _and_ right can agree on.

The right does their best to cut government revenue via lower taxes, so how do you propose maintaining infrastructure with less income?

Sure, and the left just takes that money and spends it on "entitlements" (quotes used on purpose). We could play this game for days if you wanted.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by tostitos1979 »

ecnahc515 wrote: post #46
syshum wrote: post #37

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Make people that use the resources pay for them. the national parks are almost fully funded by the people that visit them. I do not use any of the Local Parks, I do not pay Pokemon Go, I do not have a use for either People that use the parks should pay for them, then if there is an increase in activity from something like Pokemon Go that means Revenue also increases to pay for the increased costs to maintain the asse…

Unfortunately, if parks were mostly paid by the people using them, we would have no parks. Most people won't pay to use a park, and would instead just no go. Additionally, it's often extremely difficult to force people to pay to use your park. It's different with national parks which people travel to for the sole purpose of going to the park, but local parks, lakes, etc will have a much more difficult time making peo…

You should check out the parks/beaches in some towns in Westchester and CT (e.g. around Greenwich). It is a disgrace that they have people sitting there enforcing access (e.g. residency).

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by ajmurmann »

PeterisP wrote: post #49
wfunction wrote: post #8

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>> City officials were aghast at large numbers of individuals playing Pokemon Go who visited parks, littered, trampled grass and flowers, and stayed past park hours. This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

Large numbers of people visiting part sounds like a success - the only purpose why the park exists in the first place is so that the residents can go there and visit, so if they're doing it more than before then the park is achieving it's goal and it's great! It would be reasonable to expect that the job of these city officials should be to (a) encourage the people to visit parks even more; and (b) maintain the parks…

They weren't there though to enjoy there park they were there because of the game. Not even because the park is a great environment to play there have but because the game encouraged to be in that place. If the game had put all the rare Pokemon in a parking lot that's probably were people would have gone. Were people there to enjoy nature? I doubt it.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by gozur88 »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #63
gozur88 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you leave parks open at night you have to provide quite a bit extra policing. Otherwise they get taken over by hookers and junkies, and normal people won't go there. That kind of policing is the first thing that gets cut when cities run out of money, at least in my area, so they close the parks at night.

And if you close it, then you either need a big impenetrable fence around the whole thing, or you still need to police it.

You do, but not as many.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by learc83 »

DanBC wrote: post #7
jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

> And the fact that so many normally sedentary people were getting up and going out and doing shit and getting exercise A minor nit, but Pokemon go did not increase activity levels for most players. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/12December/Pages/Pok%C3%A9mon-no... http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i6270

It did increase their activity level for 6 weeks, which is probably about how long it took most people to get bored with it.

More AR games with more fleshed out gameplay could raise activity levels more long term.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by learc83 »

brewdad wrote: post #58
jmcdiesel wrote: post #34

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Thats a bad argument... There are plenty of places that rules in place to prevent "homeless tent encampments" from being a thing. The same laws that prevent you from camping in city parks. Thats a bad example...

Obviously you haven't been to Portland lately. Any plot of land that doesn't have an overnight closure turns into a homeless camp.

Lets look at an open park that can't be easily locked up.

How much easier is it to enforce no one in the park past $10 than no camping in the park.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by cududa »

jarboot wrote: post #61
badgers wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some background into the phenomenon that was Lake Park last summer, there was a large concentration of Pokestops around Lake Park in a relatively small area. In Pokemon GO there are geographic boundaries that make up biomes in the game which determine which Pokemon to spawn, for instance if you're near a source of water there is a high chance you will encounter water Pokemon. Lake Park appeared to not have any bi…

I spent a lot of time at lake Park for pokemon go almost exactly a year ago! It was basically a huge party and a great example of how AR could bring people together.

I was traveling a lot through the Midwest last summer and there were hoards of people staring at their phones while actively walking around in about a dozen states.

It was wonderful to watch.

I can't wait to see what form of communal AR we see develop over the next 10 years.

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