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Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Because they are delicious. Life is too short, not to enjoy one of life's simple pleasures. Obviously moderation is key, but it's silly not to take advantage of being human.

"Moderation" doesn't mean anything, obviously.

You're wrong, moderation is lowering the % of something contained in your diet. Instead of 40% of your diet consisting of carbohydrates, how about trying 30%. Work from there. Jumping on this no carb nonsense, is not an existence I want to live.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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If you are going to cut out carbs, but then switch to binging on high calorie foods such as cheese (the true crack-cocaine of food addiction) or nuts, don't expect any results. Some claim that cutting carbs 'naturally' leads to taking in less energy. This might be true for some, but certainly not for all.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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When I lived alone it was easy. I simply didn't buy any at the grocery store and as such didn't eat any. It's nearly impossible, now living with my wife who adores pasta and everything potato based.

Work is also hazardous to my health. My current team is great; happy, productive. Meaning treats, donuts, pizza, potlatches, group lunches. I've gained 10 lbs since joining.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Preface: Over the past 12+ years I have spent a fair amount of time learning about foods/diets, at first to try to get rid of my acne (which I was successful at), but then later to stay lean and stop any diet-related dips in my mood (which I was also successful at). What I want to say: Cutting carbs is difficult for most people because of two things: 1) withdrawal from the sugar-high that you get from eating high-gly…

The body does not need exogenous carbohydrates, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. Carbs are a useful tool but they are also easy to abuse.

The body is perfectly capable of deriving carbohydrates from essential fats and essential proteins.

Beyond the physical addiction there's also a lifestyle addiction, this is a similar problem chronic cigarette smokers who want to quit encounter. Sometimes they do quit and get through the physical discomfort of withdrawal but often fall back in because a pavlovian response has been built into many experiences like socializing, hanging outside and chatting, having a smoke as a break from severe stress, etc.

Because refined carbohydrates have been threaded through almost every food marketed to people in our society there are second order lifestyle addictions too which require clever environmental structuring, determination, and often times social support to overcome.

Social support is key and is often the failure point for most people. Particularly when engaging non-mainstream methods or ideas. Most people across many different social groups think the idea of self experimentation to be an alien or downright stupid idea.

[Edit] the body doesn't derive carbohydrates, it derives glucose.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

#67
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The addiction is the part that does not receive enough attention in regards to sugar, caffeine, and other substances that don't carry the stigma of alcohol, nicotine, or other drugs.

This really is a shame. We could improve the quality of many people's lives, extend their lifespans, and save money on health care if we treated sugar addiction as serious social problems, the way we do alcohol, nicotine, and harder drugs.

The extra sick part of this is when you watch documentaries or whatever and the obese talk about this need to eat, just feeling hungry all the time, so much so that diets are literally excruciating all I can think is "This is an addict, this person is an addict, they need help, look at these poor people, they are suffering!" and I can't believe so many other people just don't see that. No one in their right mind would ever tell a meth addict that they just need to use willpower to get over it. And the worst part is, you need to eat, you can't just not eat, so while you're recovering from a food addiction you must continue eating food. And people wonder why the failure rate is so high.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

#68

Preface: Over the past 12+ years I have spent a fair amount of time learning about foods/diets, at first to try to get rid of my acne (which I was successful at), but then later to stay lean and stop any diet-related dips in my mood (which I was also successful at). What I want to say: Cutting carbs is difficult for most people because of two things: 1) withdrawal from the sugar-high that you get from eating high-gly…

Cutting carbs is difficult for most people because of two things: 1) withdrawal from the sugar-high that you get from eating high-glycemic-load food (like bagels / pasta), and 2) your body needs a fair amount of carbs every day

Research the ketogenic diet which is Starting with a low carb diet and transitioning to keto can be done without a lot of pain and I've eaten less than ~30 carbs a day for 6 months with no loss of energy - in fact I think my energy levels have increased since going keto, but I've also lost significant weight.

Weaning off carbs is not hard.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

#69
post #46

I've posted these numbers before, but I'll post them again because they are so low as to be totally unintuitive: Normal human blood sugar [1]: 70-100 milligrams per deciliter of blood. Blood volume of average human [2]: 5.5 liters Thus, total blood sugar in non-diabetic human: 3.85 to 5.5 grams Density of glucose: 1.54 grams per cubic centimeter Thus, total volume of sugar in average human: 2.5 to 3.6 milliliters Vol…

That's interesting but the rate at which sugar is metabolised is more relevant. If it's not consumed fast enough, then yes you have a problem. Drinking a coke while at rest is definitely a problem.

Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your body needs a fair amount of carbs every day, I think you're mistaken. Carb is the only macronutrient that is not required. The body can make glucose via gluconeogenesis. Take someone who has not eaten a single carb for a month and measure their blood glucose level and you will find a stable 90mg/dL. This is why Type-1 diabetics still need insulin (although much much lesser than otherwise) in spite of being on…

Thanks for that information; I'm not expert enough to respond to the scientific claim that you made, but what I can say is that I suspect I'm using the term "need" in a less-strict sense than you are, to mean "if a person is not consuming any carbs, that person is likely going to eventually feel some level of 'healthy' craving for carbs".

From what I've read, the craving for carbs is an adaptive evolutionary response, from an environment where food was scarce.

Carbs were only available in the summer/spring, and food became even more scarce in autum/winter. Thus, humans developed a powerful chemical response to carb intake - we crave carbs because they were the only means to fatten up and avoid starvation and death.

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