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Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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This threads make me mad. In a theorically developed country making about 10€/h from freelancing as a side job. Mostly web with Python/Django and frontend.

Why does it make you mad? If you're decent, you can definitely charge more.

Feel free to email me if you want tips on upping your rates: me@morgante.net

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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You're asking a few questions here. I can answer from my experience working at a consulting shop that charged a lot of money... > Are they charging more because of overhead? Partially. There's overhead you wouldn't get with a single developer like office space and administrative overhead. A big overlooked piece of overhead is sales overhead. It's much easier to find 40 hours of consulting work a week than 120 hours o…

So you're saying it's a team factor and a single dev can't get into that 200€/person/hour range?

Experienced solo devs can get into the $200/hr range.

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I am a a web (app) developer - not sure if that counts :) Right now I am working as a frontend lead for react apps and make 75-80€ / hour. I am living in Frankfurt, Germany. There is a huge shortage of experienced javascript developers here.

Are you doing this full-time (20days * 8hours * 75€ / month)? Are you charging per hour?

Yes and yes - I am working at my clients office mostly - around 1.5 days/week is homeoffice via remote desktop.

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How do consulting shops charge so much? I mean, yes they got higher overhead than a single dev, but that's their own problem and not the problem of the client, so what's the difference fro a single dev here?

You're asking a few questions here. I can answer from my experience working at a consulting shop that charged a lot of money... > Are they charging more because of overhead? Partially. There's overhead you wouldn't get with a single developer like office space and administrative overhead. A big overlooked piece of overhead is sales overhead. It's much easier to find 40 hours of consulting work a week than 120 hours o…

Just to add to this, these clients are risk averse and not cost conscious. They don't feel comfortable dealing with a sole developer who could disappear, even if the sole developer is twice as good at half the price. They do feel more comfortable dealing with XYZ firm with a professional looking PM who has a "bench" of developers. If a dev leaves, XYZ firm has the responsibility to fill in the replacement, not the client.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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From 120-180k over the last 5 years or so, typically doing prototypes and MVPs for startups across platforms. Almost every project involves web servers, web clients and mobile clients. Mostly self taught but also studied cognitive engineering which has helped a lot in understanding how to create systems and work with AI.

If you don't mind answering the usual questions, how'd you get your start, and how do you pick up clients?

There are a lot of start up hubs in big cities, I recently started working with some of the people involved in creating these in Ohio and they are becoming my primary resource for work.

Instead of considering projects as clients, I look for collaboration efforts where there is a path to equity. Regardless it almost always begins as some sort of contract for an initial trial collaboration.

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What apps did he make? How did he make money off of them?

I don't want to reveal anything that might jeopardize his apps with competition (and therefore hurt his family's income). He made games (more like word games and puzzles than real-time) and monetized them with ads. One trick he did was to rebrand his existing games with different titles, graphics, etc. to create his own competition, so sometimes he owns multiple apps in the top results for the same game category. Ver…

Re-branding has always been an interesting thing to me, and the companies I work at (imho) underutilize it. I have friends who work in manufacturing, and all of their "competition" is made by their company, it's just branded towards different market segments.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you doing this full-time (20days * 8hours * 75€ / month)? Are you charging per hour?

Yes and yes - I am working at my clients office mostly - around 1.5 days/week is homeoffice via remote desktop.

Ah, nice.

I read charging per hour is bad. I charge per month, but I don't make 80€ per hour (also React stuff), haha.

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post #48
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking a few questions here. I can answer from my experience working at a consulting shop that charged a lot of money... > Are they charging more because of overhead? Partially. There's overhead you wouldn't get with a single developer like office space and administrative overhead. A big overlooked piece of overhead is sales overhead. It's much easier to find 40 hours of consulting work a week than 120 hours o…

So you're saying it's a team factor and a single dev can't get into that 200€/person/hour range?

I'd never attach a number to anything I said because its all relative, and I'd just be asking to be proven wrong. Like all things its pretty relative. There's teams that can charge more than developers and developers that can charge more as teams.

The number you threw out doesn't seem unreasonable though.

Re: Ask HN: How much are you earning as a freelance app developer?

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The rates vary a lot depending of where the freelancer is located.

From the most expensive to the more cheapest (in general):

- US & UK

- West Europe

- Est Europe & Latin America

- Middle Est & Asia

In Latin America the rates normally go from 20 to 40 USD per hour depending of experience.

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