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Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Some mechanics charge you $120 literally just to plug in their OBD2 adapter and read the code, so yeah, even if it saves you one diagnostic fee, it's a bargain. Note that Hotz is claiming his readers will do a lot more than the conventional ones you've seen before. Whether or not that's true remains to be seen.

Most auto parts stores will read the codes for you for free. Some will even loan you tools to fix your car. They are in the business of selling parts and are happy to sell you whatever part you need to fix the problem.

The nice thing about Torque and an OBD-II dongle is the fact that it can help you diagnose those "random" issues that only happen occasionally.

You set up Torque into logging mode, clear your codes, turn on the GPS and mapping, and drive away. When your car does "that thing" take a note of the time, then when you get home, go back thru the logs around that time mark, and take a look at all the sensor data, plus any thrown codes. If you know your car, and understand what is going on, it can help you to narrow down the diagnosis.

While a regular code reader (or getting the codes read) will help you by giving you the codes, being able to get the codes, timestamped in a log along with sensor data can go much farther in telling you where a particular problem lies.

While there are other code readers out there that will do this logging and tracking too, they typically cost hundreds or thousands of dollars - well out of the price range of most home mechanics.

There are many other things that Torque can do or be used for (for instance, virtual gauges are a nice feature - you can set up an Android tablet with a cluster of them giving you much more feedback than you can get from your regular dash instrument cluster, and it's cheaper and easier than setting up a bunch of physical gauges on a stock vehicle).

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Why a dongle? The chffr app (video / nav data) + panda dongle (sensor data) is a simple way to let anybody participate in data collection, and for comma.ai to build enterprise value by accruing and organizing a gigantic data set that's critical to them or any third party executing the ML at core of self driving. Now pair this with a tweet they posted in June: "Just realized something. You are really going to be happy…

The real winner in the race to mandate OBD-II monitoring is the auto insurance industry.

Sure, you could install Hotz's dongle, give Hotz your data, earn "comma points", feel like you are helping to train self driving cars, and trade these comma points for - what exactly? a comma plushie? - while Hotz turns around and sells your data to insurance companies.

Or you could get a free OBD dongle directly from your current insurance company [1] and watch your rates go up/down depending on how safe of a driver you are.

Ultimately, Comma.ai needs to find an automotive partner. It will be nearly impossible for the company to beat Google, Uber, and (presumably) Apple, who all have strong partnerships with auto OEMs, in quality or quantity of driving data without direct integration and extensive testing on vehicles designed for autonomous driving. Not to mention Tesla, which is an OEM itself, and can design in data collection/processing for self driving vehicles from the ground up.

[1] https://jalopnik.com/progressive-insurances-driver-tracking-...

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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aren't they read only sensors anyway ? no outside agent can fiddle with your car through OBD2 .. I hope so

This device works on the CAN bus, where you can actually issue commands, not just listen. So this is a bad idea in that sense.

I'd never have guess there were actual effecting commands.. hmm

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He can be arrogant in some interviews (I don't personally know him), but I doubt that we can discuss he isn't smart as fuck.

He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced. If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his…

He managed to do 20% and spins it as 70% claiming he'll be at 100% before everybody else.

It worked for Cruise. Got them a billion dollars and a seat on GM's board.

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Improved localization / nav is one of the goals of chffr. Through panda, we can use the car sensors for dead reckoning. Combined with the phone camera, we can get and keep a really precise location fix.

Have you thought about releasing this as its own product which I could use in an existing navigation app?

We don't plan on writing a nav app, the plan is just to improve the location fix at the system level and work with all nav apps.

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He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced. If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his…

He managed to do 20% and spins it as 70% claiming he'll be at 100% before everybody else. It worked for Cruise. Got them a billion dollars and a seat on GM's board.

Hmm it seemed to me their product was way more advanced than commaai One product.

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He did a lot more than just jailbreak an old iPhone. The dude's good, who cares if he's arrogant? There's hundreds of big corporations manipulating media for financial gains. Are you gonna hate this guy just because he has a face and a personal reputation? Or are you going to watch with bemused interest as he successfully scales the obstacles and actually puts some nice products out there.

My (not GP) issue with him comes from all his whining over the NHTSA stuff. You can't talk about how easy the problem is and how much better you are, and then fold when safety regulators show up. That to me says that he may be incredible at building things, but doesn't know how to take it the last mile. Sure, you can argue against the regulation, but I for one think that self driving cars should have strict safety re…

fold? he did the exact opposite of "fold"

he released the hardware plans, specs, and software as opensource. You can go build it, today. And if you have a supported car (currently certain honda civics, and accura ILX's.. soon honda crv, toyota prius, and chevy bolt/volt) you can actually use it, today. There are videos on youtube of people doing exactly that.

Changing your business model, is IMO.. the opposite of folding. it's adapting.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Looks like they're just trying to get additional sensor data to train their neural nets (crowd source the data). I'm not sure if a single camera from a dash mounted mobile device plus vehicle control data is enough for training a neural net for fully autonomous driving, but it's certainly valuable for driver assist features.
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