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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by lttlrck »

EpicEng wrote: post #56
Phlow wrote: post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

I went to a chiro for neck and shoulder pain regularly for a couple of months. I felt nominally better for a couple of hours after each session, but then the problem came right back. They also told me to stretch, which was obvious. Took a trip to a doctor and got a useful diagnosis at the first visit. So I would say no, going to a chiro does not prove it to be more than complete BS. They stretched out my tight muscle…

Did they recommend any exercises? And did you follow them? The pain coming back is hardly a surprise if neither of those things occurred. Same with physio.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by err4nt »

Just my 2¢ as a migraine sufferer - although I am wary about getting adjusted (I fear having too many adjustments would increase the frequency at which I need adjustments) on more than one occasion, while suffering tremendously with migraine I've had chiropractors be able to make an adjustment that stops the migraine like flipping a light switch. (A $40 light switch lol). For me, this enabled me to drive home from the city where I was visiting (I was there every week on business and a migraine would have left me stranded unable to drive home, for hours)

So just be aware that there are real cases where chiropractic, though expensive, can be insanely (and immediately) effective! There's no room for doubt in my experience, just what would be a potentially expensive habit if I kept going.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by Phlow »

pwinnski wrote: post #59
Phlow wrote: post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

Are you suggesting that belief in the efficacy of chiropractic correlates with belief that climate change isn't real, or the reverse? It seems to me that skepticism of the medical establishment and skepticism of mainstream environmental science would go hand-in-hand, but I also think chiropractic is bullshit (and I've been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems).

I'm rolling my eyes and guessing there's a significant positive correlation between people that believe chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by Tepix »

abatilo wrote: post #9

This generalization is insane. I don't go to chiropractors regularly, and my situation was clearly be anecdotal, but there was one afternoon where any movement in my back caused me extreme pain. I scheduled a body massage to try to alleviate at least some of the pain but when I went it didn't help. Then my fiance suggested trying a chiropractor and I walked in, explained my pain, and in about 30 seconds it was all go…

I'm in Germany and the two chiropractors I've dealth with have all been orthopedist (which is tightly regulated and requires a 72 months education) also.

My anecdotal experience has been similar. The orthopedist I occasioanlly go to use chiropractic methods only sometimes. Other times he just tells me to take some pain medicine and to rest. Besides, I don't have back pain often anyway (luckily).

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by davidivadavid »

Phlow wrote: post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

Scientific evidence is more than underwhelming when it comes to supporting chiropractic, which makes it very much unlike climate change.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by EpicEng »

Phlow wrote: post #60
EpicEng wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a chiro for neck and shoulder pain regularly for a couple of months. I felt nominally better for a couple of hours after each session, but then the problem came right back. They also told me to stretch, which was obvious. Took a trip to a doctor and got a useful diagnosis at the first visit. So I would say no, going to a chiro does not prove it to be more than complete BS. They stretched out my tight muscle…

Well, how many people go to doctors and get no useful information or solutions to their problems? Tons. It doesn't follow that doctors are bullshit. (And I would argue that a couple hours of nominally feeling better is more than those people get from a doctor visit, but I digress) If your problems are spine/neck/etc related, having yourself adjusted will provide relief, and strengthening, stretching and maintaining g…

Moving the goal posts a bit here. The doctor ended up solving the issue in my case.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by EpicEng »

lttlrck wrote: post #61
EpicEng wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to a chiro for neck and shoulder pain regularly for a couple of months. I felt nominally better for a couple of hours after each session, but then the problem came right back. They also told me to stretch, which was obvious. Took a trip to a doctor and got a useful diagnosis at the first visit. So I would say no, going to a chiro does not prove it to be more than complete BS. They stretched out my tight muscle…

Did they recommend any exercises? And did you follow them? The pain coming back is hardly a surprise if neither of those things occurred. Same with physio.

I've been lifting weights since I was 14, so no exercise recommendations. I did the stretches, but I was doing that prior to seeing them anyway.

In my case, the problem was something called weight lifter's shoulder. Not something that can be fixed by a chiro, but they were happy to take my money for two months while providing no diagnostic value.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by stephenboyd »

Phlow wrote: post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

Chiropractors are like physical therapists but with tradition and intuition instead of evidence-based medicine. It doesn't mean they can't help you, but they're not your best or safest option if you can see a real physical therapist.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by gnicholas »

Tharkun wrote: post #41

I've never seen so many downvoted top level comments. Is the term "chiropractor" what's causing the problem in this discussion? Can anyone call themselves a chiropractor where the author of this article is based? It seems like it's a protected title in many European countries. In Norway & Denmark for instance the title can only be granted by studying medicine. Over there chiropractors can prescribe MRIs and some drug…

In the US, it is not as regulated. My sense, from having tried chiro on several occasions is that they do quasi-medical things like x-rays when you first go in, to give the sense that they are on par with medical doctors. But the diagnosis is always the same — subluxation of the spine.

That said, and even in spite of my strong skepticism toward their practice, I have to say that it was the only thing that helped my periodic extreme back pain. I had tried a medical doctor, physical therapist, and massage. Chiro provided immediate and near-complete relief.

They tried to get me to come in 3x weekly for months (basically maxing out my insurance contribution), but I only ever needed 2-3 visits to feel 100%.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by gnicholas »

Para2016 wrote: post #50
virtualwhys wrote: post #43

While I've never realized Nirvana through my chiropractic experiences, they have been immensely helpful in the short-term. For example, several years ago I spent the winter on the north shore of Oahu (Hawaii) surfing. The waves are often perfect and glassy, but pack a serious punch when you fall. I took a heavy wipeout, which left me as stiff necked as I've ever been. For a few days I could barely move my head from l…

>a quick jerking of the head Please don't ever let anyone do that again. The two vertebral arteries that supply blood to your posterior brain (occipital lobe, cerebellum, medulla, pons) are encased in your cervical/neck vertebrae transverse processes. Quick manipulation of your neck with a "jerk" can injure these arteries and lead to dissection and infarct of your brain with permanent loss of function or it can even…

I asked my (medical) doctor about the safety risks of chiropractic adjustment, and he said there are rare cases of permanent injury from neck adjustments. He said it was less than 1/1000, but enough to be worried about. I have found that whenever I (infrequently) go in for lower back pain, the chiro always goes up the back and neck also — especially if his attempts at adjustment lower down were not successful. I always have to remind him beforehand that I do not want my neck manipulated.
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