How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X? • Hacker News Board

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by dogma1138 » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 7:25 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #22

Animats wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, since modern air defenses are effective against small missiles and even mortar rounds. Here's a CIWS in Afghanistan shooting down incoming mortar rounds.[1] (Read the comments for more explanation from people who have been there.) The CIWS has radar which can track not just the target, but its own bullets. It makes quick adjustments until bullets and target are in the same place at the same time. On one…

An ababil UAV is larger than a hobbiest drone and the PAC5 apparently missed it and it was downed by a derby missile fired from a near by SPYDER battery.

Pac3 not 5 don't know why 5 got in there.

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by myth_drannon » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 7:45 PM UTC

Reminds me how su-24 completely shutdown a sophisticated Aegis defence system on US destroyer in a Black sea recently. The crew was so demoralized that they all quit upon return to the shore. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11015434

I bet it was some old Soviet tech from the sixties.

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by brawny » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 7:51 PM UTC

Are we certain that the first missile actually missed or could this just be America saying, "Oh, gee whiz, our missiles sure are terrible. No need for anyone to upgrade their countermeasures."

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by angelic » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 7:53 PM UTC

Obvious follow up question: soviet tech is easy to come by, at least the kind that's now used in dozens of countries. How is the missile not designed to be effective against the most likely target? Surely Raytheon must have a dozen versions of Russian and European flare dispensers and not just the US kind?

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by Eerie » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 8:44 PM UTC

myth_drannon wrote: post #62

Reminds me how su-24 completely shutdown a sophisticated Aegis defence system on US destroyer in a Black sea recently. The crew was so demoralized that they all quit upon return to the shore. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11015434 I bet it was some old Soviet tech from the sixties.

This is fake news.

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by mikeyouse » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 8:45 PM UTC

myth_drannon wrote: post #62

Reminds me how su-24 completely shutdown a sophisticated Aegis defence system on US destroyer in a Black sea recently. The crew was so demoralized that they all quit upon return to the shore. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11015434 I bet it was some old Soviet tech from the sixties.

That never happened and for people to incredulously report that it did is absurd.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/russias-fake-electronic-bomb-4ce9d...

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by PeterGerlie » Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 11:05 PM UTC

No mention, of course, that the American pilot was actually protecting the terrorists(even Michael Flynn talked about US financing the terrorists in Syria before he got sacked) the SU-22 was targeting but this is a different story here( here we are talking about geeky technical things like why the exceptional missile from an exceptional country was not so successful)

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by greedo » Sun, Jun 25, 2017, 1:00 AM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #52

This unfortunately seems to again validate John Boyd's sentiment that a low tech, highly maneuverable, simple and reliable single purpose fighter with a simple gun is a better investment for actually winning a war than incredibly expensive high-tech planes tested by people with clip boards. Edit: Between 1 F35 for $85 million or 5 F16 for $73 million total my money would most certainly be on the F16s.

Boyd hated the F-15. Funny how the F-15 is undefeated, and if you look at how it has fared in Israeli hands, it's one of the most exceptional fighters when it comes to actual combat...

And you seem to be implying that numerous SU-22s would have fared well against the Super Hornet? You could put 10 Fitters up against the Bug, and it'd still win before going winchester.

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by valuearb » Sun, Jun 25, 2017, 2:13 AM UTC

mnglkhn2 wrote: post #59

mcguire wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ML isn't going to help if all your training data comes from friendly flares.

You get your data when you fight an enemy airplane.

That's not a lot of data

Re: How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?

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Post by delazeur » Sun, Jun 25, 2017, 2:46 AM UTC

fit2rule wrote: post #14

alkonaut wrote: post #12

Obvious follow up question: soviet tech is easy to come by, at least the kind that's now used in dozens of countries. How is the missile not designed to be effective against the most likely target? Surely Raytheon must have a dozen versions of Russian and European flare dispensers and not just the US kind?

The answer: this is war propaganda. There are no real facts here, only half-truths and mis-direction.

What are you suggesting? That the Su-22 wasn't actually shot down? That the AIM-9X was actually successful, and the AIM-120 wasn't used?

You can't just say "blah blah propaganda, blah blah misdirection" every time you see a news article from a war zone.