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Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

aub3bhat wrote: post #6

This is ridiculous fearmongering at a scale unseen before, given the enormous amount of corruption in Indian public distribution schemes, Aadhar has potential to be revolutionary in not only reducing corruption but also in providing poor people in India with assistance that they currently lack. Its easy to be a rich and employed in SF and pontificate about how other countries should run their government. Mozilla is e…

> fearmongering at a scale unseen before

Such hyperbole weakens your argument. It's borderline zealous. I don't think you are a zealot and I think you have a valid argument, although I disagree with you. But expressing good thoughts in hyperbole is not effective here.

(Another example is the "no right to criticise" argument. Nobody cares who has a legal right to do disagree. This isn't a court of law. All we care about are good arguments. If someone is hypocritical, point that out. But people can be hypocritical while still having a good point.)

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by [deleted] »

wetha wrote: post #19
aub3bhat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the one full of bullshit because if you are okay with surrendering your biometrics to a foreign government (especially the country where Mozilla is based out of) you don't have any right to complain about your own country seeking similar access. The article is written by people with political agenda, Aadhar is million times better than SSN or other such systems. I am extremely well versed with Security & Priv…

The level of national discourse in India has reached such a low point that questioning or raising doubts about any of the government's policies/actions leads to one being labelled a traitor to the country. It is depressing to see such knee jerk reactions to healthy discussion, short on facts and long on emotions.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by abhishivsaxena »

schoen wrote: post #56
abhishivsaxena wrote: post #37

OMG Mozilla. No wonder open internet is in such a bad shape when we have you leading it. 1) Aadhaar is not fundamentally different than a National ID which every other country in this world has. India not only lacked it, out birth registrations certificates weren't reliable at all. 2) Yes they do collection Biometrics(BM). But BM are never shared with any other agency/company. And it's strictly codified in law. BM ar…

> Aadhaar is fundamentally different than a National ID which every other country in this world has. Not the United States! Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card... seems to suggest national IDs are voluntary in 15 countries, nonexistent in 9, and mandatory in 82. One thing that seems possibly significant is that six of the non-mandatory ones include the entirety of the "Anglosphere". htt…

Aadhaar has the same data that your US birth certificate has. Name/DOB/gender/Address-if-available. Unless I'm mistaken everyone in US has a Birth Certificate.

EDIT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EDIT

An birth certificate is also an ID. There's no rational reason of being proud of not having a national ID, when you have mandatory birth registrations and birth certificates.

If anything Aadhaar store less information than your BC - no record of who your parents are for example.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by aashiks »

abhishivsaxena wrote: post #49
aashiks wrote: post #35

The short sightedness and naivety of this comment is disgusting. The poor and the rich have had "real" identification that has worked well - the electoral ID for example. Forcing aadhar down everyone's throat with no practical complaint redressal is the issue here. (Good luck getting UIDAI to take responsibility) Aadhar is not progress. Forcing biometric identification that relies on brittle infra is not progress. It…

Thank you for lying so brazenly. Wish could downvote you. > Even worse, the government of India is selling access to this database to private companies to use and combine with other datasets as they wish. This would allow companies to have access to some of your most intimate details and create detailed profiles of you, in ways you can’t necessarily see or control. Liar, the information they get is your name/dob/gend…

I am not Kiran. Aadhar stores a lot more. Are you that stupid ?

Usage/Frequency of access by whom and for whom etc (logs) are also data.

I take it that you are not in the know of how things actually work, that the problem with Aadhar is using biometrics as a mechanism of validation.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by mundanevoice »

ganduG wrote: post #52
mundanevoice wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do understand that it doesn't only rely on fingerprints, right? There is retinal verification in addition to phone OTP. I had another phone number when I got Aadhar, I changed the city, lost my phone number and now there is no way, I can without physically getting somewhere and submitting the application to update my phone number. API for commercial services isn't a bad thing per se. A lot of time, it would save…

But using Facebook and other websites is a choice . Using Aadhar is not a choice - its mandatory.

How do you suggest in a country of fucking Billion people you would get people to use something? 40% people don't understand shit, doesn't care about privacy, they want food on their table, they want to get the money they rightfully earn. These people are less fortunate than many of us. With Aadhar and Household gas linked, they get the subsidy rightly in their bank account without paying every fucking agent that would loot them at any possible point.

I agree, making it mandatory for "Income Tax" is bit controversial. But even you also know how many people in India, rightfully pay taxes. The percentage is pretty damn low.

And frankly using Facebook and Twitter is not really a choice. It's a result of being Socially coerced into being on one of the platforms to not feel left out. And anyone who talks about privacy and openness would never be on either of these two if he really knows what he talks about.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by realonedev »

aashiks wrote: post #59
realonedev wrote: post #40

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Where exactly have you seen the 30℅ number ? Did you just made up? All proganda against Aadhar has not been exactly proven. None of the Aadhar bashing article have been able to exactly point by point prove any of claims made against Aadhar.

I can share the data with you. Actual Aadhar failure logs. Do you want them ? Give me an email.

How exactly will I believe that whatever you are sharing is not plain bs?

If you are taking about the simple tricks people use in Google search to get names and numbers, then no thank you.

Those are not Aadhar failure logs, those are human errors

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by it_learnses »

realonedev wrote: post #57
petertodd wrote: post #45

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Propaganda? Your 30 minute old account sounds like propaganda too. We all know we could reduce crime by putting cameras in people's homes. But we don't do that, because there are risks to those kinds of invasive measures. Aadhar is infrastructure that allows for centralized control of the population. Sometimes that control will be used for good things, like stamping out bribery. But that control can just as easily be…

Propaganda? Your 30 minute old account sounds Do you know the difference between a reader and writer ? Please Google the difference. Not every reader on hn for over 5 years needs to have an account. And, not every old account need not contribute anything useful to the discussion. Good Day.

you didn't address his main points though.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by shiven »

aub3bhat wrote: post #13
adityab wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Finally any Indian in USA simply has no right to criticize Aadhar since the US Visa process requires biometrics from all visitors. This is BS because getting a visa is a conscious choice, Aadhar is forced upon India's residents. You're attacking people for having an opinion that's contrary to yours. About your other points - no one is denying the benefits of having a strong unique ID system that lets people interfa…

You are the one full of bullshit because if you are okay with surrendering your biometrics to a foreign government (especially the country where Mozilla is based out of) you don't have any right to complain about your own country seeking similar access. The article is written by people with political agenda, Aadhar is million times better than SSN or other such systems. I am extremely well versed with Security & Priv…

WTF has Mozilla to do with any of this?

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by [deleted] »

aub3bhat wrote: post #13
adityab wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Finally any Indian in USA simply has no right to criticize Aadhar since the US Visa process requires biometrics from all visitors. This is BS because getting a visa is a conscious choice, Aadhar is forced upon India's residents. You're attacking people for having an opinion that's contrary to yours. About your other points - no one is denying the benefits of having a strong unique ID system that lets people interfa…

You are the one full of bullshit because if you are okay with surrendering your biometrics to a foreign government (especially the country where Mozilla is based out of) you don't have any right to complain about your own country seeking similar access. The article is written by people with political agenda, Aadhar is million times better than SSN or other such systems. I am extremely well versed with Security & Priv…

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by realonedev »

ganduG wrote: post #47
aub3bhat wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the Cincinnati riots of 2001 I can clearly see why USA should not have voter lists /s The riots happened in 2002 and NOT 2001 (at least get the year right), and unless you are arguing abolishing voter lists, or have a specific argument that involves Aadhar. I don't see how this is in anyway relevant to this discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_…

Nice deflection! Are you disagreeing that voter lists were used in 2001 to discriminate against muslims? Do we have any laws preventing that from happening with aadhar data?

Do you even understand how Aadhar works?

You made a claim.

Can you prove that using an Aadhar number one can get the religion of a person?

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