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Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Yes and physical prowess was never dominated by humans anyway. We are surrounded by creatures which can fly and swim and sprint far better than any human ever could. But our minds is what separates us from the beasts. We've never been second place in the thought competition.

Actually, we are pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon

pretty good at consistently losing to horses in running marathons? can't say i'm surprised.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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I find it interesting that AlphaGo improves its play by playing against itself. I wonder what the limits of this are.

In RL you have two modes, "explore" and "exploit". In explore mode it doesn't always select the best known move, instead it selects a promising move for which it has less experience. This is how the surprising new strategies are discovered, in self play there's no shame in losing.

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#63

"We have always believed in the potential for AI to help society discover new knowledge and benefit from it" Get real. You do this for your own intellectual gain. Google does it for financial gain. Meanwhile, Antarctica may crumble. How about putting effort into solving THAT problem, with all your technology & knowhow Google?

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Public means API? AlphaGo is very specialized in solving Go game. Google, Amazon and IBM have services for various services like image recongition and speech recongition. Startups like Clarifi also exists in that space. The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM (but I don't have experiment with it sadly so I am not sure about the usage experience).

> The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM Ha ha ha!

That's not very nice.

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"We have always believed in the potential for AI to help society discover new knowledge and benefit from it" Get real. You do this for your own intellectual gain. Google does it for financial gain. Meanwhile, Antarctica may crumble. How about putting effort into solving THAT problem, with all your technology & knowhow Google?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...

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> our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelligent machines, in all areas of intellectual pursuit I could see myself losing the passion for software engineering and design if an AI can do it better. That would have to be a general AI, and hopefully another couple of decades away. I wonder if I could enjoy movies or books written by an AI. Scary to think about the psychological manipulation it would be c…

I think I read recently that Google is attacking the problem of deep learning nets writing the network and model specifications for new nets. I will try to find a reference for that. EDIT: this is not the same article I saw before, but same topic: https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai...

I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain. Today we already have phones augmenting humans. Those smart phones will keep getting smarter and smarter.

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Congratulations to Deepmind and Google for this tremendous achievement. However, it is disappointing that the code and model will not be released publicly after Alphago finishes competitive play. It's one thing to say that an apple, once dropped, will fall to the ground, but another to describe its motion as 1/2at^2 + vt.

"We plan to publish one final academic paper later this year that will detail the extensive set of improvements we made to the algorithms’ efficiency and potential to be generalised across a broader set of problems." Should be enough, no?

Depends what you look for. Most of ML papers do not disclose weights/models that they used or all details needed to make fully reproducible solution. Doesn't seem like this will change this time.

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The gift Google makes to the community (some games AlphaGo,played ) is nothing. The super tricky thing with neural networks is that you can't reverse engineer them. Once the information is coded into the parameters, you can't base anything useful on them. So it's a super good intellectual property protection... Therefore one more nail in the coffin of knowledge sharing as we know it...

The gift is in studying the novel strategies AlphaGo uses and applying them to your own play style.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

#70
One common comment from Go players at all levels up to 9-dan pros is that they don't understand many of the moves. The same will happen as more and more advanced AIs are used in the real world.

Yes, we do not completely understand the workings of current advanced neural networks either but the effects are still contained as they are not general enough to cause unintended impact outside their domains.

This could have started to change: a recent Google paper, AutoML, allows the machines to design themselves to suit each task. [1] A future advance could allow the machines to pick and learn to do new tasks that are helpful to accomplish a given high level mission. Therefore, chances of unintended consequences become much greater.

With human involvement only at the meta level, deep understanding of the generated implementations becomes more challenging and, in highly complex domains, perhaps impossible.

The major issue is, without a moral core that closely aligns with humanity's evolved morality, there will be moves that advanced AIs come up with that we deem abhorrent, and sometimes unforeseeable, yet they perform them innocently and we only find out the consequences once it is too late.

[1] https://research.googleblog.com/2017/05/using-machine-learni...

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